I think the onus has to come back to the states. And if the 
states are indeed willing to adopt regulations consistent with 
the findings of the scientific community, recommendations, and 
mount research programs along these guidelines, the framework 
exists. All we need to do is just add on a little more infra¬ 
structure beyond that which now exists within the ASMFC struc¬ 
ture process. That is, a legislative appointee, a gubernatorial 
appointee, and a fisheries manager. Three representatives from 
each of those states, or commissioners. Build a scientific base 
underneath it and you've got basically the institutional frame¬ 
work I think you're requesting for fisheries management, unless 
I read it wrong. 
Dr. Houde: I think you may be right, that there could be 
the base there, but the number of constraints that you listed in 
your last two or three minutes, to me, are significant and 
difficult ones. 
Question: This is regardless of your institutional frame¬ 
work? 
Dr. Kinser: I don't think we have the ethic that we 
need. I don't think we're taking individual responsibility as 
states or as individuals. And I think that's probably a key 
behind it. If we're not going to take that individual 
responsibility for our own actions ... I mean, we can go out on 
the Bay and look and daily there are many decisions that are 
being made that are having small, minor impacts on the Bay, but 
which are cumulative. And I think that's where we're failing to 
deal with this. 
We're balancing things. And unfortunately, the environ¬ 
mental aspect always comes up negative in the cost-benefit in 
the individual decision basis. You're balancing things like do 
we put a building on the river ... out over the river because of 
the fact that these townhouses or apartments or condos will sell 
a lot better if you have a water view. That doesn't balance 
well against saying, "Well, we only have six acres that are 
going to be impacted here." And it just seems to be a snow¬ 
balling thing. You can look at the decisions we're making, I 
think, on a whole variety of things ranging from EDS permits to 
discharge of spoil material, overboard spoil, and the increasing 
problem with sediment and toxics in the Bay downstream of that. 
You know, I think it's just a whole sequence of events. 
And that applies to the fisheries decisions as well. 
Dr. D'Elia: Question in the back? 
Question: I would be curious to know what is the number 
of publicly owned sewer plants in the State of Maryland, and 
what the State of Maryland is doing for getting them into 
compliance? 
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