Dr. Kinser: I've been impressed by the monitoring and 
research. I've been impressed by the cooperation. I've had a 
lot of second thoughts about some other things, however. 
I'm apprehensive about much of the voluntary cooperation 
that is stressed as a keynote of the Bay program. I don't think 
it will work. That may be too negative a statement, but I don't 
think it will. 
I'm also concerned that we're going on to continue making 
decisions that are adverse to the Bay on a daily basis. We're 
getting incomplete mitigation for projects that are going on and 
being permitted by the various agencies that are or are not at 
this table. So I have some concerns in that area. 
Dr. Morris: Strengths I think are in the line of having 
the institutional mechanism in terms of the organizations that 
can control the inputs into the Bay or an organization whereby 
we can exert that control. 
Secondly, I think the benefit has been in terms of public 
information, public participation, in terms of letting people 
know what's going on and getting feedback about what should be 
done. 
Thirdly, from a scientific point of view, I think we have 
maybe determined some of the significant problems of the Bay and 
permitted us to at least put the band-aid on the sores if not to 
find what the cause of the sores are. 
In terms of the deficiency, I think the deficiency has been 
that we have not been specific enough in defining the cause- 
and-effect relationships between the living resources and the 
water quality characteristics? and therefore, we cannot define 
quantitative loads which we want to use as targets for our 
control programs. 
Mr. Eichbaum: I guess just three points I'd make for 
somebody else looking at this. 
One is define the questions that you think you're trying to 
answer that identify what the problem in your estuary is. 
Secondly, if you can do that and you are still thinking or 
studying or whatever the issue and have the money, I would start 
right away a monitoring program. We spent 27 million over 6 or 
7 years and didn't even have a regularized monitoring program of 
the Bay. Anecdotal particular research project, yeah, but not a 
monitoring program. 
180 
