So I view it really as a major ecological experiment in the 
use of that word from the early 1970s. And that's what those 
phrases mean. 
Mr. Morris: Gene, now that you've asked the question and 
they've answered it, are you going to tell them whether they're 
right or not? 
We sat down and talked about this for most of a year, as I 
recall, and we decided to do away with the term. Correct? 
Dr. L.E. Cronin: We did for that purpose, but it's still 
conserving, our objective is chemical work and physical work and 
managing what happens on land and managing flows from rivers, 
quality and quantity and all of those. It's almost always the 
biological systems that are receiving in the Chesapeake Bay. 
That is not the only important value, obviously. But that is 
why we're at this. Yet we're not always linking what we do to 
the biological system, the whole biological system, not just the 
harvest of fish. 
Mr. Eichbaum: Well, I think that's what we're trying to 
do. Gene, and, you know, that's why I talk the whole biological 
system; it's not just rockfish. 
Dr. L.E. Cronin: I appreciate the fact that you said 
that. Bill, but I just haven't had much of a sense today that 
we're really talking about all of the important biological 
components and processes in the Chesapeake Bay. We didn't know 
how to put it. I think we must learn that to give us a decent, 
sort of honorary, target for all of what we're talking about, 
because we're doing a great many good things, but we're not. 
Dr. Morris: Could I follow up on that because that brings 
up a point in terms of public policy, which I think is important 
and which the gentleman down the way raised before. What are we 
doing and do we know what we're doing? 
Well, I think what we're at is an incrementalization toward 
improvement. We have some information now on what the problems 
are and we are trying to move toward correcting those problems. 
We will find others as we go, and those will have to be brought 
into it. But it's this constant pushing toward goals in the 
mist which is some of the excitement and some of the frustration 
of this program. 
And the fact that some of those goals are mutually exclusive 
are going to continue to take our energies and others to try and 
help us define them. But from a scientific point of view, as 
you have. Gene, the ones who follow you need to do as you have 
done, I think, in terms of helping us define numerically what 
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