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ILLINOIS STATE DAIRYMEN'S ASSOCIATION. 
E. H. Seward thought, as to muck, it might not pay 
for the first year, but for a term of years it would cer- 
tainly pay. 
J. R. McLean, if not for a bad cold, could “ knock the 
socks ” off from Buell and Seward. He did not blame 
Seward for drawing out his “ muck holes,” but he did not 
believe there was any pay in it. Clover and timothy are 
natural to our soil. We did not as a rule use seed enough. 
He used to use his thumb and finger to scatter the seed, but 
now his son runs the farm and he takes a whole handful. 
Red-topis not fit for anything; cows can’t eat it—they 
would require a new set of teeth each year. Cannot rely 
upon it in mid-summer ; will not stand drought. 
D. C. Scofield : How is it for hay ? 
McLean : It is poor for anything. He knew of one 
piece of land in the East which had produced hay for 38 
years, and when he had last saw the hay it stood as high as 
his chin—this was natural seeding, of mixed grasses. 
D. C. Scofield inquired as to the proper time to cut 
timothy for hay—whether in the blossom or seed. 
McLean did not admit that in the blossom to be the 
best time ; thought a little riper to be the best time. 
C. C. Buell inquired if any dairyman had any experi¬ 
ence with browse as feed for dairy cows. None had. 
E, H. Seward : Had never kept a record of the fall¬ 
ing off of tame grasses to a normal condition. This could 
only be determined by a record for a period of years. 
A member asked McLean as to the best time to cut 
hay to produce the most milk. 
