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ILLINOIS STATE DAIRYMEN’S ASSOCIATION. 
C. C. Buell: Did not know whether Judge Wilcox 
was a Granger or not; would make a good one at all 
events. Did not think all his statements would “hold 
water.” Did not believe any factory could give a certain 
number of pounds of products for a specified amount of 
milk. It is all mixed—no two alike ; each thinks his plan 
the best, and the only. The largest yield he knew of was 
one pound of butter from twenty pounds of milk. He 
knew of factories only paying fifty cents per ioo pounds for 
milk; this is too low; farmers could not live at it. 
Wilcox : Advocated no definite plan of setting. And 
in reference to capital going into the business, he knew of 
no capitalist going into it; they were mostly irresponsible 
men, of no bottom whatever, which the dairymen of this 
vicinity had found out to their sorrow of late. 
E. H. Seward: Thought Wilcox made a good point 
when he described the loose manner in which the factories 
are now run. It is a fact, the dairyman knows nothing about 
what is being done with his milk. It pays the factoryman 
better to make both butter and cheese, and so he makes it. 
The factoryman is independent; he has your milk and your 
money. He pays himself first and you last. You stand 
all the bad debts, shrinkage of weights, bad cheese, and all 
the other bad things of the business. The dairyman should 
have something to say, as to how the milk shall be worked 
up, how and when sold, and to whom sold. This can all 
be remedied if farmers will all unite. 
C. H. Larkin said the whole plan needed moral sup¬ 
port, before any radical change could be effected. In 
reference to capital invested, he said, in 1875 the Conden¬ 
sing Co., of Elgin, made the following figures with reference 
