DISCUSSION ON ARTILLERY. 
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they had neglected to clean up. That is the only way iu which we 
could judge of the effect-—from that and the reports of others who had 
been in the town before the dead had been removed. 
The Chairman You say you saw six dead men in a heap ? 
Captain Buckle I think, Sir, they had been put in a heap. 
The Chairman :—I suppose it would not have been very possible two 
days afterwards, in that climate, to examine the bodies. 
Captain Buckle No Sir ! 
The Chairman: —You could not tell whether they were killed by 
blast or fragments ? 
Captain Buckle :—By fragments I think, Sir ; they were very much 
cut about. We were told afterwards by people who had been in there 
soon after that the man-killing effects were very good; and I am told 
the moral effect also was very great; at any rate we can tell by the 
impression that was made on the Friendlies, they thought a great 
deal of it. 
I do not think. Sir, I can add anything.more to the discussion. 
The Chairman —Thank you (applause). Will anybody else make 
any remarks or ask any question ; or will anybody give us any hints or 
suggestions ? 
Colonel F. G. Slade, c.b.: —I should like to ask, did Colonel Elmslie 
fire any other projectile from the howitzers but the one described ? 
The Chairman : —-You had nothing else, Colonel Elmslie, had you ? 
Lieut.-Colonel Elmslie: —We had case shot and star shells, but 
there was no occasion to fire either. 
Colonel C. Trench :—It would be interesting, Sir, to know if there 
were any blinds when firing at a vertical target. The target was, I 
presume, often a wall or more or less upright mass, and if the blinds 
came off in firing at a vertical target, it would be more serious than 
if they were on graze. 
Lieut.-Colonel Elmslie :—I do not think I quite understand the 
question. 
Colonel Trench :—Had you any blinds when the shell struck a ver¬ 
tical target ? 
Lieut.-Colonel Elmslie No, I never saw one blind when the shell 
actually struck directly on impact. 
Lieut.-Colonel T. Perrott: —I should like to ask Colonel Elmslie what 
observation he made use of; whether it was his own observation or 
whether he had any observers out. 
Lieut.-Colonel Elmslie :—I simply used my own observation exactly 
as I should have done with any other gun. 
Colonel E. Bainbridge, c.b. :—In the first place, Sir, I should like to 
say a few words about the fuze. The fuze was of the direct action type, 
which you all know, but modified so that, supposing there was a pre¬ 
mature discharge in the gun, the flash from the detonator would not 
reach the magazine and fire the shell. It is laid down in the hand-book 
that the direct action fuze is not supposed to act as a certainty when 
fired at an angle of elevation of under ten degrees. From what Colonel 
Elmslie has told us a great many of these rounds were fired at ranges 
under 2,000 yards. The elevation at 2,000 yards is ten degrees; ac- 
