Nov. 8, 1913. 
FOREST AND STREAM 
599 
Cincinnati G. C. 
Who started this “reduce the scores” business* any¬ 
way? So far, I have not read any articles that are prac¬ 
tical. When you say, make the targets smaller, Paul 
North lets out a howl that can be heard from one end 
of the country to the other. When you say reduce the 
load, the .ammunition people say, “Nothing doing.” 
Hard targets, nix for the little fellow; 18 yards, also 
nix, no, not, and after all, how in the name of Bogardus 
are you going to help the 80 per cent, man by reducing 
the scores of the 95 per cent. man. It can’t be did, un¬ 
less all shoots require the 90 per center to stand at 
22yds., and the little chap at 16yds. Even if you let him 
stand at the trap house, he will get beat in the end. 
Personally I think the automatic trap is to blame for 
high scores. Install a set of expert traps, and you will 
soon find more pick-ups. Then if your scores are still 
too high, if you howl long enough and loud enough, 
they will make the targets smaller. Why not anyway? 
Paul says the expense to gun clubs would be too great. 
How does he figure that out? The clubs don’t own their 
traps anyway unless they are equipped with experts. At 
any rate, Dr. Edward’s suggestion of reducing the size 
of the target is a much better idea than reducing the 
load, and of course smaller targets would mean more 
revenue to clubs, as they would be sold at a cost con¬ 
siderably under the present price, if not immediately, 
in the near future. If I am not mistaken there were 
small bluerocks given away at the G. A. H., held at 
Columbus, so it surely cannot be so very expensive toi 
manufacture them. 
It all depends on who the shoe pinches whether they 
will advocate reducing the expenses as well as the scores. 
What argument is there against clubs installing ex¬ 
pert traps, five (5) traps, five (5) yards apart, one man 
up, unknown traps, known angtes, 45 to 50 yard targets? 
That will reduce all scores, and also reduce expenses. 
It is the writer’s opinion that it would be much more 
interesting, would require more skill, increase member¬ 
ship and help to keep dues paid up. I am speaking 
from a club standpoint, and not as a booster for tourna¬ 
ments, the majority of which are huge jokes. 
Nowadays, every little Tom, Dick and Harry Club 
with a membership of from two to five active members 
want to give a tournament several times a year. Why 
don’t some one agitate less tournaments and more at¬ 
tendance at club shoots, nearby city team races, etc. 
I for one am much more in favor of making more 
shooters “break ’em all” than the opposite. 
Take an interest in the beginner, coach him, tell 
him his faults, particularly teil him where he is miss¬ 
ing, whether over, under, too far behind his target or 
too far ahead. You will soon find him. getting others 
interested and becoming regular cranks; but don’t let 
him “shoot his head off” when he commences. 
Some of these articles do not “gee” with the subject 
—“Are you in favor of,” etc., but most anything is better 
than keeping mum while all this excitement is on, and 
my answers to the Interstate’s questions were an em¬ 
phatic “No” to all of them. 
At anv rate, this present agitation is not doing any 
harm, and to give you my own preference in the matter 
I side with Doc Edwards. Give us smaller targets at a 
reduced cost, and in addition to that, sell traps out¬ 
right. I know at least one party who won’t agree with 
me on that proposition. 
There are two notable persons in the trapshooting 
world who we would all like to hear voice their ideas 
through the press, namelv, Luther Squier and Elmer 
Shaner. These two are, without any question of doubt, 
in favor of doing the greatest good for the greatest 
number, and to hear what they think about it would 
certainly interest all concerned. Not one shooter in this 
big country would for an instant think their being con¬ 
nected with the big manufacturers would lean their 
ideas toward those interests. 
Arthur Cambell, 
Supt. Cincinnati Gun Club. 
Spring Valley G. C. 
Reading, Pa., Oct. 26. —The live-bird shoot held at 
Spring Valley under the auspices of the Spring Valley 
Association was a success. The two Wertz brothers 
(Lee, of the Hercules Gun Club, and Frank, of the home 
club) made perfect scores of 22 kills. In the first event 
Frank and Lee Wertz each tied for high honors. Five 
gunners tied for second honors on 9 kills each. In the 
second event at 12 birds, Lee Wertz, Frank Wertz and 
Al. Fromm tied on clean scores. Ed. Adams, Fred 
Wertz and Jake Rahm tied on 11 for second honors. The 
birds were all good strong flyers. Pony Smoyer was in 
charge of the traps, which performed some remarkable 
feats. 
Event No. 1 , 10 birds, $5 entrance: 
C Prutzman . 9 E Adams 
F Wertz . 9 L Wertz .. 
J Wertz . S F Miller . 
J Kuntz . 6 H Trivits 
J Rahm . 8 A Fromm 
Frank Wertz . 10 
9 
10 
9 
9 
7 
Event No. 2, 12 birds, entrance $6. 
c 
Prutzman . 
. 8 
L Wertz . 
. 12 
F 
Wertz . 
. 11 
II Trivitts . 
. 11 
I 
Wertz . 
. 9 
A Fromm . 
F 
Wertz . 
. 12 
T Rahm .:. 
. 11 
E 
Adams . 
. 11 
J Kern . 
. 9 
Luddy. 
South End G. C. 
Reading, Pa., Oct. 25. —The monthly shoot of the 
South End Gun Club, held a week ago, on the Carsonia 
grounds, was a most interesting contest. The shoot 
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was at 50 targets. J. J. Harberger landed high average 
with 48 out of his quota. E. Id. Adams was but one 
target shy of Marberger. Mr. Adams is one of the 
sports who won one of the Lyon trophies at the Westy 
Hogan shoot at Atlantic City. Behm, Melchior and Ger- 
hert tied on 46 each. This was going some. Pop Kift 
never saw the like. If he was only with us. Schultze made 
a remarkable score of 41 to-day. Treasurer Eshelman 
landed low to-day, but when it comes to pheasants 
“Mart” is among the baggers. Billy Miller made some 
remarkable scores, too; he seldon shoots targets. The 
rifle is his hobby. The Mrs. Seyfert trophy was won 
eventually by Frank Gerhert. 
The eleven contestants shot an average of 85.58 per 
cent, on the whole race. 
This club is open to 1 challenge any club in the State 
for a five or ten 
Scores: 
man team 
race at 50 
or 100 targets. 
Marberger . 
. 48 
Ball . 
Ed Adams . 
. 47 
C Adams . 
. 40 
Behm . 
. 46 
E Levan . 
. 37 
Gerhart . 
. 46 
Eshelman . 
. 37 
. 46 
41 
Miller . 
. 45 
Luddy. 
Buffalo Audubon Club. 
Buffalo, N. Y., Nov. 1.—Conditions were never 
worse than to-day for clay-target shooting. A gale 
was blowing directly across the traps, which played 
havoc with good intentions. The distance handicapped 
boys suffered most. Scores: 
Targets: 20 20 20 20 20 25 
Lambert . 13 14 14 14 11 14 
Hammond . 11 14 15 15 .. 
Kelsey . 17 13 17 17 15 19 
Wright . 15 18 17 16 16 23 
Le Fever . 12 17 11 16 13 .. 
Terauld . 10 13 14 15 15 19 
Blackmer . 19 15 16 17 16 22 
Singer . 16 12 14 11 17 19 
Immel . 12 14 12 13 15 .. 
Rogers . 15 17 15 13 13 17 
Ebberts . 13 18 14 13 15 18 
Newton . 14 13 12 15 14 .. 
Benedict . 14 14 11 14 14 12 
Remington . 10 10 11 8 10 .. 
Graham . 8 4. 
W. C. W., Sec’y. 
