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and cold, and at times a high wind made the flight of 
targets erratic. The first four events count in the con¬ 
test for the Panama-Pacific Exposition trip, completing 
900 of the 2,000 targets to be shot for the prize. Drum- 
goode leads with 809; Goddard is second with 785, and 
Gemmett ranks third with 754. 
The other two events were practice shoots. Harry 
Altenbrand, Jr., of Manhattan, and C. H. Smith, C. C. 
Goddard and P. A. Allen, of Butte, were visitors. Scores: 
Events: 
25 
25 
25 
25 
25 
25 
Munn . 
. 22 
18 
21 
20 
21 
Gemmett . 
. 23 
22 
19 
19 
25 
is 
Nell . 
. 22 
20 
19 
21 
Drumgoole. 
. 20 
19 
23 
21 
23 
O’Neill . 
. 20 
19 
23 
21 
23 
McDermott . 
. 13 
13 
14 
11 
Hillard . 
. 12 
13 
16 
17 
is 
Johnson . 
. 11 
16 
14 
15 
22 
Mathewson . 
. 20 
17 
15 
20 
20 
Altebrand . 
. 11 
17 
11 
15 
0 IL Smith . 
. 18 
20 
19 
23 
2i 
20 
Goddard . 
. 16 
21 
19 
21 
23 
Allen . 
. 15 
14 
19 
18 
Bryan . 
. 20 
19 
19 
20 
2i 
Roach . 
20 
21 
is 
Kreider . 
13 
Club cup, 50 clay pigeons: 
D F McMahon. 49 
T Lenane . 47 
Dr Culver . 46 
W B Ogden. 45 
G J Corbett . 44 
G Lyons . 44 
C Billings . 43 
R L Spotts. 42 
E R De Wolfe. 42 
C Stern . 41 
Accumulation cup, 50 clay pigeons: 
G J Corbett . 
W B Ogden. 
T J James. 
J M Jones. 
T H Vanderveer.... 
E N Huggins. 33 
H H Duden. 33 
E H McLemore. 32 
R S Sheldon. 30 
J S Blackton. 27 
41 
Variety cup: 
D F McMahon . 
... 36 
E 
R De Wolfe. 
38 
C Billings . 
... 35 
W 
B Ogden.... 
37 
CJ Lvons . 
... 34 
T 
Lenane . 
36 
Dr Culver . 
... 26 
Dr Culver . 
R L Spotts. 
C Stern . 
C Billings . 
T Lenane . 
J H Vanderveer. 
50 
C W Church. 
... 41 
49 
E R De Wolfe. 
... 40 
48 
T T James. 
... 38 
46 
P S Sheldon. 
... 38 
45 
T M Jones. 
... 37 
45 
E N Huggins. 
... 36 
43 
F. H McLemore. 
... 30 
42 
II IT Duden. 
... 30 
41 
I S Blackton. 
... 30 
One hundred and fifty clay pigeons, scratch: 
New York A. C. 
Pelham Manor, N. Y., Nov. 1.—Daniel F. McMahon 
with 140 from scratch was top average for the day at the 
opening of the trap season here to-day. W. B. Ogden 
and G. J. Corbett tied for the first leg of the monthly 
cup, with actual scores of 23. Handicaps brought their 
totals to 25. Ogden won the shoot-off. 
Shooters from New Haven, including a squad of 
Yale men, were unable to compete, J. L. Banks notifying 
the New York A. C. that their guns had been stolen 
from an automobile as the_ men were preparing to leave 
New Haven. The summaries: 
November cup, 25 clay pigeons: 
D F McMahon . 140 
C. T Corbett . 129 
R L Spotts. 129 
W B Ogden. 125 
C Billings . 122 
G Lyon .121 
Dr Culver . 119 
T J James. 117 
C Stern . 115 
One hundred and fifty clay pigeons, handicap: 
G J Corbett . 147 
D F McMahon.146 
W B Ogden.143 
C Billings . 134 
T Lenane . 132 
Dr Culver . 131 
R L Spotts.129 
C Stern . 127 
C W Church. 123 
1 
?, 
W B Ogden 
G T Corbett 
C Billings . 
D F McMahon. 
C Stern . 
E R De Wolfe. 
J H Vanderveer 
G Lyons . 
H Duden 
Ogden won on shoot-off. 
25 R L Spotts. 20 
25 C W Church. 19 
24 E N Huggins. 19 
23 T J James. 19 
23 Dr Culver . 19 
21 J M Jones. 18 
21 J S Blackton. 12 
21 PS Sheldon . 9 
20 
Distance handicap, 25 clay pigeons: 
Dr Culver . 22 
W B Ogden. 21 
E R De Wolfe. 20 
G J Corbett. 20 
R L Spotts. 19 
G Lyons . 18 
C W Church. 18 
T Lenane . 18 
E N Huggins . 18 
I do l 
I do not J 
believe a change should be made in the present system of handicapping. 
My reasons are: 
First, 
Second, 
Third, 
(Please fill in any reasons you may have for or against suggested change.) 
Name . 
Club . 
Address . 
C W Church.Ill 
F. R De Wolfe.104 
T Lenane .108 
J H Vanderveer. 102 
T M Jones. 87 
H H "Duden . 81 
E N Huggins. 79 
P S Beldon. 59 
J S Blackton . 41 
Nov. 4.—The call of the wild from the lair in 
Fourteenth street, called pull on shooters’ votes so ap¬ 
pealingly that only thirteen rock-breakers called pull 
at Travers Island traps on Election Day. George J. 
Corbett from a gratis elevation of 10 decamped with the 
Election Day cup, with a total of 98. F. C. Hodgman 
and Danny McMahon tied for place on 94 from 6 and 4 
respectively. Corbett won also club cup after shooting 
off a tie with McMahon and F. A. Hodgman. This grasp¬ 
ing ballistic exponent added to his bag a leg on ac¬ 
cumulation trophy with (5) 50, and tied on leg for 
Travers Island trophy with (3) 25. The event was 
finally kopped by Hodgman. This tie found also G. M. 
Thompson, T. Lenane and W. B. Ogden among those 
present. High gun for the day on actual breaks was 
Hodgman with 132. In distance handicap, M. Jones 
from 19yds. eliminated 20 and 25 from the ambient 
atmosphere. A novel event was for Variety cup on 3 
pair doubles, 19 singles. George Lyon accumulated 19, 
McMahon 13, and M. Jones 13. Scores: 
Election Day cup, 100 targets, handicap: 
E R De Wolfe.122 
G Lyons . 121 
T J James. 117 
H Vanderveer. 114 
M Jones. Ill 
H Duden. Ill 
E N Huggins.100 
P S Sheldon. 95 
J S Blackton. 71 
G J Corbett.".....10 98 
F A Hodgman. 6 94 
D F McMahon. 4 94 
W B Ogden, Jr.12 93 
C Stein ..12 97 
T Lenane .15 92 
J M Jones . 10 92 
G Lvon . 4 92 
Dr E R De Wolfe... 15 90 
F Shannon . 12 88 
G M Thomson.12 83 
H H Duden . 20 77 
Dr Kenyon . 27 51 
Monthly cup, 25 targets, handicap: 
T Lenane . 4 25 
F A Hodgman. 2 23 
B Bogart . 5 22 
G J Corbett. 3 20 
H H Duden . 5 20 
C Stein 
G M Thompson. 3 
G Lyon . 0 
19 
IS 
18 
F Shannon . 0 18 
C Billings . 17 
D F McMahon. 16 
T T Tames. 16 
G F "Pelham . 16 
H H Duden. 14 
C Stern . 14 
J M Jones. 11 
J S Blackton. 5 
P S Sheldon. 4 
Club cup, 25 targets, handicap: 
J Corbett .... 6 47 
A Hodgman . 4 47 
F McMahon . 1 47 
M Thomson. 6 46 
Lyon . 0 44 
Stein . 4 42 
Shoot-off won by Corbett. 
T Lenane . 8 
H H Duden .10 
B Bogart . 10 
W B Ogden . 6 
Dr E R De Wolfe.. 6 
41 
39 
39 
38 
38 
Shall the Handicapping System be Changed? 
T HERE are three changes proposed for consideration this winter by the Interstate Association. The first 
proposed change is to increase the distance; the gunners to stand back of the traps from 16 to 18 yards; 
the second to decrease the maximum load of shot from 1J4 ounces to 1% ounces; the third, to speed up the 
targets, so that instead of dropping within a distance of 4 to 55 yards from the trap, as they do now, they will drop 
within from 55 to- 65 yards of the trap. 
To the novice, these changes do not seem so radical as they look small, but the initiate declares them 
almost revolutionary. 
The point which is causing the greatest discussion is that of moving the shooter two additional yards back 
ol the trap, from 16 to 18. Great difference of opinion is held by different shooters, and they are about equally 
divided, apparently between the two camps. Some say that the moving back of the firing points will tend to 
equalize shooting conditions; others contend that the better shot will not be so handicapped by the increased 
distance as his less expert brother. 
That the opinions of all the trapshooters in the country may be learned before the Interstate Association takes 
action, efforts are being made to get a general expression of their views. Elmer E. Shaner, Secretary-Manager 
of the Interstate Association, is mailing to every gunner in the country who has taken part in one or more 
registered shoots this season, a post-card’ on which these questions are stated, so that each shooter may state 
his views on each of the three proposed changes and mail them back to the secretary. This will give the Asso¬ 
ciation a line on the opinions and desires of the rank and file of the trapshooters all over the country, and then 
the Association can take the action it deems advisable in modifying the sport to changed conditions. 
As there are hundreds of readers of Forest and Stream who are not registered shooters, whose opinion is 
valuable in this matter, we append hereto a coupon which we should appreciate having filled out and mailed to 
us for presentation at the annual meeting of the Interstate Association in December. 
Will you, Mr. Shooter, please fill in and shoot back to us: 
Accumulation trophy, 50 
targets, handicap: 
G T Corbett . 
.. 5 
50 
T M Tones. 
. 4 
46 
C Stein . 
.. 4 
49 
t)r E R De Wolfe.. 
. 6 
44 
F A Hodgman ... 
.. 4 
48 
G Lyon .. 
. 0 
44 
W B Ogden. 
.. 6 
49 
F Shannon . 
. 0 
44 
D F McMahon.... 
.. 2 
46 
H II Duden . 
. 10 
38 
T Lenane . 
.. 8 
46 
Travers Island trophy, 25 targets, handicap: 
F A Hodgman ... 
.. 2 
25 
C Stein . 
2 
?3 
G T Corbett. 
.. 3 
25 
1) F McMahon.. 
. 0 
23 
G M Thompson... 
.. 3 
25 
Dr E R De Wolfe.. 
. 3 
22 
W B Ogden. 
.. 3 
25 
T M Jones. 
2 
22 
T Lenane . 
.. 4 
25 
II H Duden. 
22 
G Lyon . 
0 
23 
Shcot-off won by Hodgman. 
Scratch cup 
(high 
score 
for day), 150 targets 
F A Hodgman 
132 
T M Jones. 
114 
G Lvon . 
. 129 
W B Ogden. 
113 
D F McMahon. 
12X 
T Lenane .. 
114 
G T Corbett.... 
. 127 
G M Thomson_ 
103 
C Stein . 
. 121 
Dr E R De Wolfe, 
.101 
Distance handicap 
cup, 
25 targets: 
Yds. 
Tl. 
Yds. 
Tl. 
T M Tones. 
. 19 
20 
G T Corbett. 
18 
17 
W B Ogden,... 
. IS 
20 
Dr E De Wolfe. 
IS 
17 
C Stein . 
. 19 
19 
D F McMahon.. 
20 
17 
G Lyon . 
. 21 
18 
E A Hodgman.. 
19 
16 
T Lenane . 
. 17 
18 
H H Duden. 
16 
16 
Variety eup, 
scratch (3 
doubles, 19 singles): 
G Lyon . 
. 15 
G I Corbett. 
8 
D F McMahon. 
. 13 
W B Ogden. 
8 
J M Tones. 
. 13 
F Shannon . 
8 
Dr E R De Wolfe.... 
. 12 
Nov. 8.—Travers Island cup ran into a double tie to¬ 
day. In the original shoot, A. W. Church, W. B. Ogden, 
T. Lenane, Jr., and T. S. Sheldon all had full scores, 
the former winning the second shoot-off by 23 to 22. The 
leading scores: 
November cup, 25 targets, handicap: 
G J Corbett. 
... 3 24 
C Stein . 
2 
20 
A W Church. 
... 2 23 
II H Duden. 
5 
20 
R L Spotts. 
... 0 21 
T Lenane, Jr. 
3 
20 
Dr D L Culver... 
... 2 21 
F A Hodgman . 
0 
19 
Club cup, 50 targets, handicap: 
T Lenane, Tr. 
... 8 49 
Dr D I, Culver. 
4 
43 
W B Ogden. 
... 6 47 
C Stein . 
4 
42 
A W Church .... 
... 4 46 
D F McMahon. 
1 
42 
F A Hodgman... 
... 4 46 
Dr E R De Wolfe.. 
6 
41 
G T Corbett. 
... 5 45 
T Sheldon . 
12 
41 
R L Spotts . 
... 0 45 
Accumulation 
cup, 50 targets, handicap: 
T Lenane, Jr. 
... 8 50 
A W Church. 
4 
48 
F A Hodgman .. 
... 4 50 
Dr E R De Wolfe... 
6 
48 
G J Corbett. 
... 4 49 
Dr D L Culver. 
4 
46 
W B Ogden. 
... 6 4S 
Shoot-off won 
by T. Lenane, Jr. 
Travers Island trophy, 25 
targets, handicap: 
W B Ogden . 
... 3 25 
G T Corbett. 
3 
24 
A W Church. 
... 2 25 
Dr D L Culver. 
2 
23 
T Lenane, Jr. 
... 4 25 
(1 Stein . 
2 
22 
T. Sheldon . 
... 6 25 
R L Spotts. 
0 
22 
Handicap cup 
, 150 targets 
T Lenane, Jr .... 
... 23 147 
W B Ogden. 
, 10 138 
A W Church. 
.... 12 143 
R L Spotts. 
.. 0 134 
G T Corbett. 
.... 15 142 
Dr II L Culver. 
. 12 133 
F A Hodgman..., 
.... 11 138 
