Sept. 30, 1911.] 
FOREST AND STREAM 
525 
The America’s Cup. 
As soon as the regular racing season ends 
each year there are rumors of a challenge for 
a race for the America’s Cup. Sir 1 homas 
Lipton has been the prospective challenger 
since the last race was sailed in 1903, and he 
has again announced that he is willing to chal¬ 
lenge and ready to build a yacht at once if the 
New York Y. C. will accept a challenge under 
the present rules of the club. Sir 1 homas says 
he will never challenge again for a race under 
the old rule. He says. "If my challenge under 
the present rule should be accepted, the de¬ 
fending club would still have the advantage, be¬ 
cause no yacht has yet been built by a British 
designer to conform to the American rule. I 
only ask for a sporting chance when the gun is 
fired at Sandy Hook. I want no favors. I 
merely say that the rule adopted by the Amer¬ 
ican club is good enough for me. If you stick 
to the old conditions you may just as well send 
the cup to some museum as an ancient relic. 
The old rule permits of an extreme freak boat 
being built to race, which is only fit for the 
scrap heap when the racing is finished. 1 he 
cup conditions expressly state that the rules 
can be altered by mutual consent. The New 
York Y. C. refuses to alter them, although the 
rules under which they wish me to race are 
prohibited and barred in every regatta in 
America. The universal rule, enforced by every 
yacht club in the United States, is the rule I 
wish to challenge under. The America’s Cup 
under present conditions does not represent 
sport.” 
Yachtsmen here, except some in the New York 
Y. C., are heartily in favor of a race under 
the present rules. Some clubs have gone , so 
far as to express their opinions on the action 
of the New York Y. C. in declining a challenge 
and a well-defined movement has been started 
to get expressions of opinion from yachtsmen 
all over the country. It is not at all improb¬ 
able that the matter may be brought up in the 
New York Y. C. by some of the members who 
are opposed to the present attitude of the club. 
The club is dominated by owners of steam 
yachts. They are in a majority in the club, and 
the real yachtsman, the owner of the sailing 
yacht, is always outvoted. If the matter were 
left to the racing yachtsmen in the club, a chal¬ 
lenge would be accepted very quickly and the 
size of the boat would be moderate, so that 
several defenders would be built. Under the 
present rules $100,000 would build and main¬ 
tain a cup defender, while under the old rules 
ten times that amount was needed. Under the 
old rule it required a syndicate of the wealthiest 
men in the country to furnish the funds neces¬ 
sary for a defender such as Reliance. 
While the club has decided that the present 
rules do not apply to the America’s Cup. it is 
an open secret that should some other yachts¬ 
man challenge the club would agree to almost 
any rules in order to have a race, but there are 
some members who think that Sir Thomas 
Lipton has tried often enough. These members 
seem to forget that when the cup was in bad 
odor after the Dunraven incident, Sir Thomas 
Lipton sent a challenge and accepted the same 
conditions as those which governed the races 
with the Valkyries. He was beaten and an¬ 
nounced that he had been treated most fairly 
and had been squarely beaten. The members 
of the club then could not do enough for Sir 
Thomas and in their eyes he was a hero. 
The argument that the cup stands for speed 
on a given waterline length does not agree with 
the history of the cup. Originally boats of sane 
model and seaworthy raced for the trophy. 
Some were ocean cruisers and not at all like 
the racing machine of modern years. The rules 
of the New York Y. C. have been changed five 
times since the America won the cup in 1851, 
and each time there has been a race the rules 
of the club were applied to the cup yachts. 
Once, when a challenger wanted a modification 
of the measurement rule, the matter was re¬ 
ferred to Philip Schuyler, one of the donors, 
and he ruled that the races must be sailed under 
the rules of the club holding the trophy, and in 
spite of these precedents, the New York Y. C. 
insists that it shall name the measurement rule 
under which the yachts shall be built. 
Sir Thomas Lipton will not challenge under 
the old rule. No other British yachtsman will 
challenge under that rule, and unless the club 
modifies its action, the cup will stand for 
nothing. 
Handicap Yachts Race. 
The yachts of the handicap class wound up 
the season last Saturday with one of the best 
regattas of the season. The wind was fresh 
from the northeast, and as one could see white- 
caps rolled in. It was a day such as a racing 
yachtsman loves, and the racers, with lee rails 
awash, spray flying high into their sails and 
decks wet fore and aft, sailed in fast time over 
the course and made exciting finishes. All who 
watched the races agreed that it was the best 
regatta of the season, which has been marred 
by lack of fresh winds. 
The races were started from the motor boat 
Muskegat, owned by Charles W. Volts, which 
was anchored off Hicks Ledge buoy in Echo 
Bay. The officials were Theodore Granbery, 
the handicapper; A. E. Williams and J. D. 
Wright. The course was to Parsonage Point, 
then across the Sound to Motts Point and then 
home. This gave the yachts a thrash of five 
miles on the first leg, a broad reach to the sec¬ 
ond and a run with spinnakers home. On the 
last leg the wind came from southeast. 
The first division was sent away at 2:25 
o’clock. In this were Sally IX., Alert, Senora 
and Crescent. Five minutes later Amada, Naiad, 
Kenmuir and Red Wing followed. The third 
division started at 2:35, and in this were Chinok 
and Maryola, and at 2:30 the fourth division. 
Victory, Sybil la, Robin Hood, Grace II. and 
Insurgent, crossed the line. 
Naiad early in the race split her jib and with¬ 
drew. All the others, except Insurgent, finished 
the course. Senora was the first to finish and 
she won the first division prize. Amada finished 
first in the second division, but she was beaten 
on corrected time by Red Wing. In the third 
division,' Chinook finished fi'-st and defea'e 1 
Maryola. and in the fourth division Tillicum II. 
finished first, but on corrected time was beaten 
by Robin Hood. 
Red Wing wins the officers’ cup, and Sybilla 
wins the handicappers’ prize. 
The winners, of the season’s championships 
are: First division. Sally IX.; second division. 
Scud II.: third division. Busy Bee; fourth di¬ 
vision. Robin Flood. 
After the races the members dined together 
in the New Rochelle Y. C. ho use. where the 
winners of the races received their prizes. The 
times: 
First Division—Course, 11 % Miles. 
Sally IX. 2 26 03 Senora ~. 2 16 42 
Sue . 2 31 23 Crescent . 2 29 38 
Alert . 2 21 12 
Corrected times: Senora. 2.15.20; Sally IX., 2 17 52- 
Alert, 2.21.12; Crescent, 2.21.48; Sue, 2.23.12. 
Second Division—Course, 11% Miles. 
Amada . 2 22 23 Kenmuir . 2 49 20 
Naiad .Disabled Red Wing- . 2 25 32 
Corrected times: Red Wing, 2.19.08; Amada, 2.22.23; 
Kenmuir, 2.40.47. 
Third Division—Course, 11% Miles. 
Chinook . 2 25 38 Maryola . 2 43 29 
Corrected times: Chinook, 2.24.11; Maryola, 2.42.02. 
Fourth Division—Course, 11% Miles. 
Victory . 2 42 17 Grace II.r 2 46 17 
Sybilla . 2 39 37 Insurgent .Not timed 
Robinhood . 2 40 50 Tillicum II. 2 36 07 
Corrected times: Robinhood, 2.35.22; Tillicum II., 
2.86.07; Sybilla, 2.38.03; Grace II., 2.40.49; Victory, 2.42.17. 
Joyant’s Corinthian Cup. 
The Indian Harbor Y. C. arranged a race to 
wind up the season’s sport for the Corinthian 
cup. It was to bring together in one class the 
best yachts of classes P and below. They were 
to sail with full time allowances based on their 
actual rating. Eleven yachts started in this 
race last Saturday and the weather conditions 
were ideal. The wind was strong from north¬ 
east and the water was rough. Toward the 
close of the race the wind hauled to southeast. 
The prize was won by Commodore William H. 
Childs’ 31-rater Joyant, sailed by Frank Bowne 
Jones and Richard Outwater. The race was an 
exciting one from start to finish and it was 
particularly close between Joyant and Wind¬ 
ward. Windward was sailed by R. A. and 
Jerome Monks, and she had to allow Joyant 
3s. On corrected time, Joyant beat Windward 
1 in. 7s. The course selected gave the yachts 
windward work in a rough sea on the first leg, 
which was to the Cows buoy, then a reach 
across the Sound to Center Island buoy, and 
then, as the wind had shifted to southeast, a 
run with spinnakers home. The start and finish 
was off Great Captain’s Island. 
Seven of the New York 30-footers raced for 
a special prize, which was won by Dahinda. 
Phryne was second, beaten im. 34s. At the 
start Phryne was forced about by Joyant, and 
this forced Phryne across the line too soon. 
It took a minute and a half to return and cross 
again. The summaries: 
Alera, 
1 Cup—Course, 
15 Miles 
Finish. 
—Start, 12:10. 
Elapsed. Corrected 
[. Childs. 
. 2 32 45 
2 22 45 
2 22 42 
A. Monks.... 
. 2 33 49 
2 23 49 
2 23 49 
Roosevelt... 
. 2 39 56 
2 29 56 
2 24 37 
Morgan, Jr.... 
Hunter. 
. 2 41 30 
2 31 30 
2 26 11 
. 2 42 42 
2 32 42 
2 27 23 
Duell. 
. 2 43 49 
2 33 49 
2 28 30 
Alker. 
. 2 47 12 
2 37 42 
2 32 23 
KulenkampfT. 
. 2 48 55 
2 38 55 
2 33 36 
i . Crow. 
. 2 50 22 
2 40 22 
2 35 03 
i Litchfield.... 
. 3 09 57 
2 59 57 
2 36 52 
Shethar. 
. 3 26 27 
3 16 27 
2 42 27 
Joyant wins the Corinthian cup and Dahinda 
wins a special cup as well as a first prize in the 
championship series. 
Stamford Y. C. 
The last race in the series for the Stamford 
Y. C. championship was sailed by the one-design 
class last Saturday, and was won by Killie, 
owned by Bartholomew Jacobs. The race was 
sailed in a northeast wind, which shifted to the 
southeast after the start. A 6F2-mile triangular 
course was sailed, the first leg being a run, the 
second a beat, and the final leg, owing to the 
shift in the wind, another run. The times: 
Killie, 1.27.00: Fiddler, 1.29.00; Kittiwake, 
1.30.15; Osprey, 1.42.30. 
Eight races were sailed during the summer, 
and the score by points was: Killie, B. Jacob. 
47F2; Osprey, Douglas Elliman, 38F2; Dart, R. 
E. Gillespie (now deceased). 29; Fiddler. Weber 
and Weed, 28; Curlew, Gayer Dominick, 19: 
Snapper, Edward Corning, 18; Kittiwake, FI. C. 
Flenman, 16; Kelpie. E. S. Barlow, 11. Killie 
wins the championship cup. 
The tournament cup was sailed for last Sun¬ 
day and was won by Gayer Dominick’s Curlew. 
She defeated Fiddler by 35s. in a very closely 
contested race. The course was three miles to 
windward and return and the wind was light 
from southwest. 
The boats started at 3:15. Curlew’s elapsed 
time was 1.26.55, and Fiddler's was 1.27.30. 
Three sets of races were sailed during the sum¬ 
mer for this cup. In the first Edward Coming’s 
Snapper won by default from H. C. Fleitman's 
Kitty Wake. Fiddler beat E. S. Barlow’s 
Kelpie: Douglas Elliman’s Osprey beat Bar¬ 
tholomew Jacob’s Killie, and Curlew beat R. 
H. Gillespie’s Dart. In the semi-finals Fiddler 
beat Snapper, and Curlew beat Osprey. The 
final was sailed to-day. 
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