534 
FOREST AND STREAM. 
[Sept. 30, 1911. 
Northern Kentucky Gun Club. 
A live bird shoot was held at the grounds on Sept. 
20 , and it is probable that monthly events of this kind 
will be given during the winter. The weather was 
perfect, and the sport was enjoyed by half a dozen 
n,embers The birds were better than the average, witn 
not many “sitters,” and a few exceptionally fast ones. 
Harry Rowe, who won the first leg for the Ryland (Ky.) 
trophy recently, was high man, killing 44 straight in the 
regular and practice events. Dr. Gould (Luverne) missed 
only 3 birds in the regular events, getting the best of 
Walker by one bird. The latter has been suffering from 
rheumatism for several months and is only just getting 
back into shape. The last miss-and-out was shot under 
the rules of many years ago, the gun being held at the 
hip and not raised to the shoulder until the bird was 
on the wing, use of one barrel only. It was a new 
preposition to all but Koch (Stone), and they enjoyed 
the novelty. The event was brought to a close by the 
supply of birds giving out, with four in a tie. 
'1 he next match for the Ryland (Ky.) trophy will be 
held on Oct. 12, and Rowe is a favorite. If he keeps up 
his gait he’s likely to bring the series to a sudden close 
bv winning three straight. 
whether my 7 decision was correct or not, it must be re¬ 
membered that Mr. Lyon only won out by one target, 
and that he had actually missed the first of the pair 
declared to be “no targets.” This, and the fact that 
there seemed to be—even among the more experienced 
trapshooters—a question of doubt as to the correctness 
of my decision, must be my excuse for asking you to 
let me not only quote the rules as they bear on the 
subject, but also give my understanding as to the 
reason for the rules being as shown. 
Those parts of the rules referred to and which relate 
to this incident are given below: 
RULE Id. 
Double Targets; Misfire; Magazine Gun. 
Sec. 3. If the contestant has a misfire, or apparent 
misfire, he, without removing the cartridge or cartridges, 
shall forthwith hand his gun to the referee for decision. 
(See Rule 9b and Rule 12c.) 
Sec. 4. The referee shall declare “no targets”— (e) 
When there is a misfire with either barrel (except as 
provided in Rule 9b and Rule 12c.) (See Section 3 of 
this rule.) 
Sec. S. When the referee declares “no targets,” the 
contestant shall have a new inning with the use of 
two shots. 
Event No. 
30yds.: 
1, 10 birds, $5 
entrance, 60 and 40 per cent., 
Luverne .... 
.2222222222—10 
Rowe .... 
....1111222112—10 
Walker . 
.1212122122—10 
Stone .... 
....1101111120— 8 
Event No. 
2, 5 birds, $2 
entrance, one 
barrel, 30yds : 
Rowe . 
.11111—5 
Luverne . 
.11001—3 
Payne . 
.10111—t 
Walker .. 
.11010-3 
Robbins .... 
.11011—4 
Stone .... 
.01010-2 
Event No. 
oei cent.: 
3, 12 birds, 30yds., 85 entrance, 60 and 40 
Rowe . 
..121211122111 12 
Luverne .... 
..112112222222—12 
Robbins .... 
..122210212122 11 
Stone . 
..112111101111 11 
Pavne . 
..101112222211 11 
Walker . 
..001122212211 10 
Event No. 
4. 12 birds, $5 
entrance, 60 and 40 per cent.: 
Rowe, 32yds. 
Walker, 31 . 
..222221112112—12 
122221112 9 2 9 _i 9 - 
Luverne, 32 
..2121122221*2 11 
Robbins, 30 
..2211221*2201 10 
Pavne, 31 .. 
. .122221111022—10 
Stone, 30 ... 
..20210112121*- 9 
Event No. 5, miss-and-out, $2, 32yds., 
after each shot: 
back one yard 
Robbins .... 
.221122—6 
Luverne . 
.2110 —3 
•Rowe . 
Payne . 
.211112—6 
.12111*—5 
Stone .... 
.no —2 
Event No. 
hip: 
6, miss-and-out, $2, 2Syds., one barrel, gun at 
Robbins .... 
.11—2 
*Rowe ... 
.11 2 
Payne . 
Stone . 
.10—1 
.11—2 
•Luverne 
.11—2 
‘Re-entry. 
The trophy event, which was started last week, is 
arousing a little interest among the shooters, and seven 
faced the traps on Sept. 24, among them being Wm. 
Link, E. Shaffer and E. L. Walker, of Hamilton, Ohio. 
The weather conditions were good, which can hardly be 
said of most of the scores. This leg on the trophy was 
won by Link with a score of 45, his nearest competitor 
being II. R. Irwin, a local shot, with 43. Both these 
men stood at 16yds., as this was their first time in the 
series, their scores will put them back a yard or two in 
their next contest. Dameron, who won the first of the 
series last week on 48, could not keep up that gait, 
20 yds. being a little too much of a handicap, and he tied 
with Walker, one of the visitors. H. Ertel got in third 
place to-day. The next match will be shot on Oct. 1, 
at the monthly money-back shoot, and many new con¬ 
testants will be added to the list. The club will be rep¬ 
resented at the Ryland (Ky.) live-bird trophy shoot on 
Oct. 5, the date having been changed from the 12th. as 
the latter conflicted with the Kentucky State live-bird 
tournament at Louisville. 
Trophy event, 50 targets, handicap: 
Irwin, 16 . 43 E Shaffer, 16 . 33 
L Finkelmier, 16.16 E L Walker, 16 . 35 
M Dameron, 20 . 35 H Ertel, 16 . 40 
W Link, 16 . 45 
The E. C. Cup Race Tie. 
Editor Eorest and Stream: 
\\ ill you kindly permit me to occupy some space in 
your next issue, for the purpose of offering an explana¬ 
tion in connection with an incident that occurred in the 
shoot-off of the tie in the E. C. cup race, between 
Messrs. George Lyon and Lester German, yesterday 
afternoon during the Westy Hogan tournament at At¬ 
lantic City, N. J. 
As to the incident itself. While watching the finish 
of the shoot-off, namely, the third section of it at 10 
pairs, I was sitting where I could not see the contest¬ 
ants at the score, but could see the targets being 
smashed with wonderful regularity, considering the con¬ 
ditions of wind and weather. Each man had shot at 
either his sixth or seventh pair, when, on a pair being 
thrown, only one shot was fired, and neither target was 
broken. Leaning forward, I saw that it was Mr. Lyon 
who was in trouble, but what the nature of that trouble 
was I did not know. Being called up to give a de¬ 
cision in the case, I found that he had had only a mis¬ 
fire with the second shell (not the second barrel)—he 
shoots a Remington pump. 
The question being put to me as to what should be 
done, and taking it for granted that he complied with 
Rule 16, Section 3 of the Interstate Association’s trap¬ 
shooting rules, there was nothing to say but that it was 
“no targets,” and Mr. Lyon should accordingly shoot at 
another pair. This he did and broke both targets. 
To judge better the importance of the fact as to 
Rule 9 covers what is a lost target, and so far as re¬ 
ferred to above, reads: “Except in the cases otherwise 
provided in these rules, the referee shall declare the tar¬ 
get “lost” respectively—(b) When the contestant fails 
to shoot because his gun was unloaded or uncocked, or 
because the safety was faultily adjusted or jarred back, 
whether from his own oversight or not; or because of 
any other cause chargeable to his own oversight or 
neglect. (See Rule 12c.) 
Rule 12, Guns and Loads, says: “A contestant shall 
not use—(c) A reloaded cartridge or a gun or car¬ 
tridge after it has once misfired in the competition. The 
contestant must thereafter abide by the result, if he 
uses such. (See Rule 9b.) 
It will be seen that Rule 16, Section 4 (e) is very posi¬ 
tive: “When there is a misfire with either barrel. * * *” 
Then take Section 8 of the same rule: “* * *The con¬ 
testant shall have a new' inning with the use of two 
shots.” 
There cannot be any question that the term “either 
barrel” should be interpreted to mean “either cartridge” 
in the case of a magazine gun. so that I take it for 
granted that my case has been proved. 
Now, as to what I claim to be the reasons for chang¬ 
ing the old rule, which provided for the use in tile “first 
barrel” of a shell with the shot removed from it: 
Extracting the charge of shot from the shell loosens 
the crimp, and does not give that close confinement of 
the load of powder so necessary to produce proper re¬ 
sults when smokeless shotgun powders are used. The 
result is a “squib,” or faulty discharge. With a “squib” 
load there is always a chance of a wad being left in the 
barrel of the gun, and in the case of a “pump” gun 
such a wad might (and probably would) have a dis¬ 
astrous effect when a second shot was fired. Such a shell, 
so prepared with the shot removed, was also never 
certain to be ejected properly. The rule, as it originally 
stood was, therefore, felt to be an unfair handicap im¬ 
posed upon the “pump gun” users as compared with 
those who used double guns. 
Then again a “squib” load necessarily throws a 
shooter off his balance, and acts as a severe handicap if 
the second shot is to be placed correctly. Under the 
old rule, as I recollect it, the shooter who had a mis¬ 
fire with the second shell, and who might have either 
broken or missed the first target shot at, had to use a 
shell with no shot in it “in the first barrel, pointing his 
gun in the direction the target was thrown,” and then try 
to break the second target with a good shell. Old- 
timers will remember well what a handicap that was to 
them, and will also recollect how very liberally some 
shooters interpreted that injunction to “point his gun 
in the direction the target was thrown.” 
The “new rule” is, I think, at least seven years old, 
and when the committee appointed by the Interstate 
Association in 1909 (Messrs. Elmer E. Shaner and the 
late Bernard Waters), revised the rules then in force, 
making them more explicit, that committee saw no 
reason to change the rule in question, other than to 
make it even mere positive. 
I might add that the same ruling applies in live-bird 
shooting, and for the same reasons. 
The important bearing which the incident referred to 
apparently had upon the result of the shoot-off of the 
tie must be, as previously stated, my excuse for tres¬ 
passing upon vour courtesy to such an extent. 
Edward Banks. 
Wilmington, Del., Sept. 24. 
Hell Gafe Gun Club. 
Sept. 19.—Clear weather conditions, favorable birds, 
fair to good marked the distance and point handicap 
of the Hell Gate Gun Club at 30 live birds: 
C Lange . 
Yds. 
29 
T’l. 
23 
F Dietzer . 
30 
29 
J Selg . 
26 
16 
L Schortemeier. 
31 
27 
1 Schlicht . 
28 
24 
J H Voss. 
29 
25 
Yds. T’l. 
R Brennan . 28 19 
.1 Wellbrock ... 31 21 
E Forster . 29 24 
E Meckel . 30 22 
R Baudendistel. 28 20 
Ten-bird sweep: 
Lange, 29.1221111212—10 
Dietzel, 30 ..2021221221—9 
Selg, 26 .1121100120— 7 
Schortv, 31 ..1221211212—10 
Schlicht. 28...021110*101— 7 
Voss, 29 .1100221212— 8 
Brennan, 28..2221122002— 8 
Wellbrock, 31.2010121220— 7 
Forster, 29... .1211112011— 9 
Meckel, 30 ...1122102012— 8 
Baudy, 28... .1021101121 —8 
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Perry Gun Club. 
Ferp.y, Okla., Sept. 15.—Yesterday and to-day found 
us with twenty-eight -shooters banging away happily in 
our registered tournament, and. while the attendance was 
below par, the interest was pitched above tile staff, and 
the genera! average in scores was good. W. R. Walker 
had the real good eye, making 275 out of 300, enough 
to assure him first by a margin of two over W. R. 
Campell and A. V\ . Clark, who tied for second place. 
Next in line was C. T. Rankin with 270. Billy Heer, 
untired with his long and successful season, kept up his 
average bv making 282 for first place, nosing out W. R. 
Crosby by one break. Ed. O’Brien took third place 
with 284. To a shooter, all agreed upon a return en¬ 
gagement next year at the State shoot, to be Held here. 
First Day. Second Day. 
,_A_. 5_A—.-I 
f f ^ 
Shot at. Broke. Shot at. Broke. 
W P Walker. 
.... 150 
138 
150 
137 
W R Compell. 
. 150 
134 
160 
139 
A W Clark. 
.... 150 
134 
150 
139 
C T Rankin. 
.... 150 
133 
150 
137 
F Houston . 
.. .. 150 
132 
150 
135 
F Gillespie . 
. 150 
134 
150 
131 
T B Newton. 
. 150 
128 
150 
131 
1 W Appleman. 
.... 150 
129 
150 
130 
O O Mentzer. 
. 150 
128 
150 
130 
C M Brown. 
. 150 
127 
150 
130 
C L Zutavern. 
. 150 
130 
150 
125 
1) B Herriman. 
. 150 
120 
150 
127 
F Charles . 
. 150 
119 
150 
117 
John Moncravie . 
. 150 
119 
150 
114 
W W Haller. 
. 150 
112 
150 
116 
Tom Ray . 
. 150 
129 
i2i 
loe Bell . 
150 
1 W Kaeting. 
150 
124 
[ Minton . 
60 
53 
D Carpenter . 
60 
45 
1 B Carpenter. 
60 
42 
] L Carpenter. 
60 
46 
S D Carpenter. 
60 
45 
Professionals: 
W 11 Heer. 
.. .. 150 
146 
150 
146 
W R Crosby. 
. 150 
144 
150 
147 
Ed O’Brien . 
. 150 
142 
150 
142 
H T Donnelv. 
. 150 
121 
150 
138 
I< L Eagan.... 
. 150 
130 
150 
128 
B. 
H. 
Bowman, 
Sec y. 
