788 
FOREST AND STREAM 
[May 15, 1909. 
A M Hatcher... 
T A Marshall... 
H Money . 
C O Le Compte, 
D A Upson. 
Chas Nichols .. 
W T Laslie. 
W A Long. 
F Legler . 
C C Hawkins... 
P C Ward. 
J K Warren_ 
C G Westcott... 
H W Vietmeyer, 
J T Skelly. 
C M Gilbert. 
H D Gibbs. 
E A W Everett 
D A Edwards.. 
H C Moore. 
E Caldwell. 
R W Clancy .... 
R C Campbell.. 
B B Fortney.... 
W Baggerman . 
T Buckingham . 
H D Anderson. 
C H Ditto. 
C B Willey. 
88 
86 
87 
90 
82 
82 
89 
84 
81 
87 
85 
83 
74 
79 
90 
64 
80 
66 
81 
76 
79 
85 
90 
76 
84 
84 
75 
83 
65 
Will Polk . 
O Williams . 
Joe Gray . 
C W Pennington... 
J P Sousa. 
Irby Bennett . 
R B Snowden. 
J J Blanks. 
J A Blunt. 
W Gruhn . 
S P North. 
J Dea . 
T D Cummins. 
F M Duncan. 
L T Check. 
M C Jackson. 
D F Kenner. 
J I Armstrong.... 
O W Ewing. 
F Cahalan . 
J H Hillman. 
L Moody . 
W D Thompson... 
J H Turner. 
J T Coulbourne.... 
J W Carter. 
R J Lyles. 
G Benton . 
S L Dodds . 
82 
84 
76 
50 
86 
70 
76 
79 
81 
78 
82 
79 
84 
77 
61 
62 
70 
66 
80 
67 
68 
69 
62 
81 
68 
’68 
68 
66 
79 
Southern Handicap. 
There were 127 entries in the Southern Handicap, of 
which number 62 entered for targets only; 12 of the 
targets-only entries did not compete. The purse amounted 
to $728, and it was divided as follows: S. L. Dodds, 
$131.05; G. V. Dering, $98.25; O. W. Ewing, $98.25; W. 
T. Laslie and Chas. Nuchols, $69.15 each; J. B. Goodbar, 
C. D. Vincent and P. C. Ward, $43.65 each; G. M. Col¬ 
lins, O. N. Ford, J. K. Warren, H. D. Gibbs, C. A. 
Courtney, J. B. Duncan and E. Caldwell, $18.70 each. 
This event was open to amateurs only. Conditions, 100 
targets, unknown angles, $10 entrance, targets included; 
handicaps, 16 to 23yds.; high guns; $200 added to the 
purses. The winner received a trophy, presented by the 
Interstate .Association: 
W R Crosby . 
Hdep. 
. 21 
r-Targets-^ 
20 20 20 20 20 
18 18 19 19 19 
Total. 
93 
F Gilbert . 
. 21 
17 17 17 18 17 
86 
W H Heer. 
. 21 
18 17 19 19 17 
90 
C G Spencer. 
. 21 
17 19 18 14 17 
85 
H T Borden. 
. 20 
20 17 19 18 17 
91 
R 0 Heikes. 
. 20 
19 20 18 14 17 
88 
W Huff . 
. 20 
18 IS 20 17 19 
92 
T M Hughes. 
. 20 
19 19 17 20 19 
94 
W Henderson . 
. 20 
19 18 17 18 15 
87 
G L Lyon..... 
. 20 
17 17 16 18 19 
87 
T R Taylor. 
. 20 
16 18 19 18 19 
90 
Guy Ward . 
. 20 
17 20 17 16 16 
86 
C A Young. 
. 20 
17 17 17 18 16 
85 
T R Livin.gston. 
. 20 
17 17 20 17 18 
89 
G M Collins. 
. 19 
17 16 18 19 20 
90 
G V Dering . 
. 19 
19 17 18 20 19 
93 
0 N Ford. 
. 19 
19 17 20 16 18 
90 
H D Freeman. 
. 19 
18 18 14 15 19 
84 
E R Holt. 
. 19 
18 19 19 18 19 
93 
A M Hatcher. 
. 19 
12 14 15 19 15 
76 
T A Marshall. 
. 19 
15 17 17 15 17 
81 
H Money . 
. 19 
18 18 19 18 20 
93 
C 0 L-e Compte. 
. 19 
18 18 19 19 19 
93 
D A Upson. 
. 19 
16 19 18 17 19 
89 
Chas Nichols . 
. 18 
18 19 18 18 19 
92 
W T Laslie. 
. 18 
17 19 20 17 19 
92 
W A Long. 
. 18 
16 15 18 17 17 
83 
F Legler . 
. 18 
12 17 15 18 16. 
78 
C C Hawkins . 
. 18 
17 19 16 17 16 
85 
W G Hearne . 
. 18 
19 16 17 12 17 
81 
P C Ward. 
. 18 
18 19 19 16 19 
91 
T K Warren. 
. 18 
17 19 18 19 17 
90 
C G Westcott. 
. IS 
16 14 17 18 18 
83 
H W Vietmeyer. 
. 18 
17 14 18 14 14 
77 
J T Skelly. 
. 18 
18 18 17 20 20 
93 
C N Gilbert. 
. 18 
17 12 16 17 19 
81 
H D Gibbs. 
. 18 
18 16 18 19 19 
90 
E A W Everett. 
. 18 
16 17 13 13 14 
73 
D A Edwards. 
. 18 
17 18 18 14 15 
82 
J H Campbell. 
. 18 
12 15 14 13 16 
70 
E Caldwell . 
. 18 
17 17 20 18 18 
90 
R W Clancy. 
. 18 
19 19 18 16 17 
89 
R B Campbell. 
. 18 
19 18 20 14 17 
88 
W Baggerman. 
. 18 
17 14 17 12 18 
78 
T N Buckingham.. 
. 18 
14 16 17 17 15 
79 
H D Anderson . 
. 18 
16 19 18 16 18 
87 
C H Ditto. 
. 18 
17 19 19 13 17 
85 
E K Alexander . 
. 17 
16 18 18 18 19 
89 
R A Austin. 
. 17 
18 15 17 17 14 
81 
E R Bagley. 
. 17 
18 17 16 18 19 
88 
C A Courtney.. 
. 17 
18 17 18 18 19 
90 
J B Duncan.. 
T H Evans. 
. 17 
18 17 17 19 19 
90 
. 17 
19 15 13 13 17 
77 
T H Edwards. 
. 17 
17 17 16 17 15 
82 
B H Finley. 
. 17 
18 18 17 19 16 
68 
J B Goodbar. 
. 17 
17 17 19 20 18 
91 
T B Snowden. 
. 17 
17 18 19 19 16 
89 
D B Hilton. 
. 17 
16 20 17 17 17 
87 
C E Goodrich. 
. 17 
8 16 12 10 17 
63 
G Hillman . 
. 17 
15 14 17 15 14 
75 
W L Henderson. 
. 17 
17 16 20 19 17 
89 
G 0 Prowse. 
. 17 
17 19 20 15 17 
88 
A Lawson . 
. 17 
18 16 17 17 18 
86 
A Meaders . 
. 17 
14 17 17 17 14 
79 
E S Rogers. 
. 17 
17 18 18 15 17 
85 
H R Wynne. 
. 17 
14 16 17 17 14 
78 
W E Rape. 
. 17 
14 13 18 17 17 
79 
E W Rugg. 
. 17 
16 17 19 13 12 
77 
Will Polk . 
. 17 
16 14 16 17 17 
80 
0 Williams .. 
. 16 
17 16 18 17 16 
84 
C D Vincent . 
. 16 
14 19 19 19 20 
91 
C W Pennington. 
. 16 
15 9 15 13 16 
68 
J P Sousa . 
. 16 
14 18 19 18 18 
87 
Irby Bennett . 
. 16 
18 17 18 17 15 
85 
R B Snowden. 
. 16 
13 14 20 14 18 
79 
J J Blanks.. 
. 16 
16 
18 
15 
17 
16 
82 
J A Blunt. 
. 16 
17 
15 
20 
18 
15 
85 
A P Alexander. 
. 16 
6 
6 
15 
11 
7 
45 
S P North. 
. 16 
14 
18 
14 
19 
16 
81 
G Benton . 
. 16 
14 
17 
18 
9 
15 
73 
T D Cummins. 
. 16 
15 
17 
20 
18 
18 
88 
L T Check. 
. 16 
8 
13 
16 
14 
10 
61 
Mrs D F Kenner. 
. 16 
9 
13 
14 
11 
13 
60 
M C Jackson. 
. 16 
14 
14 
18 
9 
11 
66 
D F Kenner. 
. 16 
14 
11 
16 
14 
14 
69 
H B Way. 
. 16 
17 
15 
20 
17 
18 
87 
G W Ewing. 
. 16 
18 
18 
20 
19 
18 
93 
F Cahalan . 
. 16 
17 
14 
15 
14 
13 
73 
T H Hillman. 
. 16 
18 
15 
15 
14 
15 
77 
Lee Moody . 
. 16 
15 
16 
20 
14 
17 
82 
W D Thompson. 
. 16 
14 
14 
16 
13 
13 
70 
T W Turner. 
. 16 
12 
15 
16 
11 
11 
65 
T T Coulbourne.. 
. 16 
18 
15 
19 
16 
17 
85 
T W Carter. 
. 16 
13 
18 
16 
17 
13 
77 
R J Lyles. 
. 16 
14 
11 
17 
12 
13 
67 
W W Porter. 
11 
16 
17 
18 
17 
79 
S L Dodds. 
. 16 
18 
18 
20 
20 
18 
94 
E E Jacoway. 
. 16 
16 
16 
18 
13 
16 
79 
W B Hawkins. 
. 16 
17 
16 
15 
15 
16 
79 
F Hardy . 
. 16 
16 
14 
16 
16 
16 
78 
A F Hebard . 
. 16 
14 
13 
16 
, , 
43 
W M Haney. 
. 16 
18 
17 
18 
14 
19 
86 
W Gruhn . 
. 16 
16 
16 
16 
18 
14 
80 
F G Fite. 
. 16 
14 
19 
16 
, . 
49 
M Morgan . 
. 16 
18 
18 
19 
13 
10 
78 
J B Martin. 
. 16 
12 
16 
17 
15 
18 
78 
John Dea . 
. 16 
16 
19 
13 
.. 
48 
F M Duncan. 
. 16 
15 
13 
17 
11 
14 
70 
0 H Dotherow. 
. 16 
13 
16 
14 
9 
12 
64 
C B Willey. 
. 16 
15 
15 
14 
44 
G P Williams. 
. 16 
19 
19 
35 
Toe Fisher . 
. 16 
2 
3 
8 
13 
B B Fortney. 
. 16 
14 
15 
29 
Pennsylvania State Shoot. 
The nineteenth annual tournament of the Pennsylvania 
State Sportsmen’s Association was held on May 4 to 6 
inclusive, at Reading, Pa., under the auspices of the 
Independent Gun Club. May 3 was practice day. 
Pleasant weather favored the competition each day. 
The number of entrants was far under the expectations 
of the club, and fell off quite materially from the num¬ 
ber of entrants in several prior years. The tournament 
averaged, as to participants, something more than half 
of what was anticipated. 
On Monday, practice day, there were 65 contestants. 
On Tuesday, 87. On Wednesday, 76. On Thursday, 69. 
At last year’s tournament, on practice day, there were 
78. On the first day, 98; second day, 104; third day, 106, 
showing a steady increase each day, while this year 
there was a steady decrease after the first day. This 
was attributed to the high gun conditions governing the 
division of the moneys, which, as set forth in the 
programme, was devised with a good purpose, namely, 
to give fhe amateur shooter a chance for larger win¬ 
nings than was possible under other systems. This, 
while true in a way, restricted the chances of winning 
to a very few shooters of the third or fourth class, as 
is the case, however it may be applied, in any high 
gun system. 
It was arranged on the first day in the following man¬ 
ner. The shooters were divided into classes A, B and C. 
Of the moneys, 60 per cent, was for Class A, 30 per 
cent, for Class B, and 20 per cent, for Class C. Class A 
consisted of the ten highest shooters at the end of the 
day’s programme. Class B shooters were those who had 
the next ten highest scores. Class C consisted of all 
the shooters below Class B. The money in each class 
was divided 40, 30, 20 and 10 per cent. Thus four out 
of the ten shooters could win in Classes A and B, while 
four out of the remaining number—67 on the first day, 
and 51 on the third day (second day was different)—could 
win. 'This was a hard proposition for an ordinary 
shooter to face. As Class C was necessarily made up 
of the most unsuccessful shooters, it was difficult to 
perceive how this class, considering its great size and 
small percentage of the purse, had the opportunity to 
win as set forth in the programme. There was one 
money for each 2% shooters in Classes A and B, while 
on an average for Class C there was one money for each 
14 or 15 entrants, and these four moneys consisted of 
20 per cent, of the purse, the remaining 80 per cent, for 
Classes A and B. This was an attenuation for Class C 
which obviously did not favor the weak shooter, nor did 
it befog his good sense. 
The shooters of ordinary skill cannot in tournament 
competition win moneys of any importance. The best 
they can hope for is to reduce their loses to a minimum. 
This the Squier money-back system accomplishes more 
than any other system. It is very popular with shooters 
who average under 90 per cent., for it is a fair assump¬ 
tion that any shooter who cannot average 90 per cent, 
or better can never be much of a winner in present- 
day competition. This system was adopted at the 
Pennsylvania State shoot of last year, and gave great 
satisfaction. It appeals more strongly to the intelli¬ 
gence and sportsmanship of shooters, as is shown by 
the resultant greater satisfaction and greater attendance. 
Some eighty barrels of unused targets, piled up on 
the grounds after the tournament was concluded, were 
a monument to the error of the high-gun variants as 
arranged in the involved programme concerning the dis¬ 
position of the moneys each day. 
A special purse was provided liy setting aside a part 
of the two cents charged for each target, with $1 
extra from each contestant each day. Those who shot 
for targets only were supposed to be favored by the 
special purse. While there was a lot of comment on 
the programme conditions governing the divisions of the 
moneys, with the presumption that they caused a 
falling off in the number of entrants, there is no doubt 
but what there was a further loss in this respect from 
the failure to exploit^ the tournament properly. There 
was very little published about it. No tournament, 
however great may have been its prestige or support in 
past years, can hope for its best success unless there is 
some alertness for public support on the part of the 
management. It is a fatuous belief that any tourna¬ 
ment has so much good will and popularity that it will 
run itself. If the officers neglect the press interests of 
the tournament, the results are sure to be evident in 
the way of loss in public interest and support. 
The tournament was managed by Mr. J. Mowell 
Hawkins, the renowned tournament expert. Mr. Bernard 
Elsesser, of York, Pa., had charge of the general office 
work, in which capacity he is thoroughly skilful and 
proficient, having.had a bro.ad and thorough experience 
in tournament affairs. Mr. Linn Worthington and Sec¬ 
retary Chas. N. Seitzinger were valuable office assistants, 
while the Messrs. Posey were materially helpful as squad 
hustlers. Mr. Charles North, cheerful, alert and 
efficient, was manager of traps, which is the equivalent 
of stating that the traps worked up to the highest 
standard. Four extra traps were installed for the oc¬ 
casion, there being one permanently on the grounds, 
near which was erected that great aid to a managemenc, 
a kicking post bearing a sign on it which identified it 
as a special provision for the discontented. 
The tournament grounds, chosen for the occasion, are 
situated about two miles from the business center of 
Reading, at the Kurtz House, whose amiable proprietor, 
Mr. J. B. Kurtz, won golden praise for the excellent 
meals which he provided. They were bountiful as to 
quantity, palatable as to quality and variety, and rea¬ 
sonable as to price. He served about ' 150 guests each 
day. 
Nearly 65,000 targets were thrown during the tourna¬ 
ment. 
The traps were installed on a gently sloping hillside, 
toward whose crest the shooters faced. The targets 
were necessarily thrown higher than usual, to insure a 
background above the skyline. 
Monday, May 3, Practice Day. 
The programme provided ten 15-target events, $1.30 
entrance, a total of 150 targets, $12 entrance in sweeps, 
or $3 for targets only. Sweeps were optional. The 
moneys were divided 40, 30, 20 and 10 per cent. German 
was high with 138. Pfleger and Coleman were second 
with 134 each. A high wind- prevailed. The totals, at 
150 targets, follow: 
German . 
.138 
Tansey . 
Pfleger . 
.134 
Clark . 
.. 120 
Coleman ?. 
.134 
Englert . 
.. 119 
Painter . 
. 133 
Heller .. 
.. 117 
Schlicher . 
.133 
Wolstencroft 
.. 116 
Heil . 
.133 
Haperselt .... 
.. 115 
Glover . 
.132 
Kissinger _ 
.. 115 
Hansell . 
. 132 
Runk . 
Kahler . 
. 132 
Watson . 
McCarty . 
.130 
Wolstencroft 
.. Ill 
Miller . 
. 130 
Eames . 
.. no 
Elliott . 
.'.128 
Adams . 
Atkinson . 
.128 
Anderson .... 
.. 107 
Mink . 
.127 
Pardie . 
Hess . 
.127 
Pratt . 
Wentzel . 
.126 
J Furing .... 
Apgar . 
.126 
Wegman .... 
Stevens . 
.126 
J H Lewis . 
.. 104 
Squire . 
.126 
Rahn . 
Long . 
.125 
L R Lewis... 
.. 101 
Jessop . 
.125 
Speer . 
Wertz . 
.124 
Siear . 
.. 98 
Orckey . 
.123 
Bortz . 
Kelley . 
.123 
Hetrick . 
Welles . 
.122 
Moorhouse .. 
.. 90 
Anderson Sr. 
.122 
Kock . 
Kelley . 
.122 
Weidner .... 
Less than 150 1 
target totals 
were: 
Shot 
Shot 
at. Brk. 
at. 
Brk. 
Jebb . 
75 61 
Kniskern .... 
.. 75 
49 
Buckwalter .... 
75 61 
Wolstencroft 
.. 75 
46 
Williams . 
75 58 
Seitz . 
.. 75 
45 
Eshleman . 
75 68 
Melchoir .... 
.. 75 
43 
Nettles . 
75 SI 
NoMe . 
.. 60 
37 
Hanlin . 
75 57 
May 4, First Day. 
There were ten programme events, totalling 185 tar¬ 
gets, entrance $1.50 in the _ events at 15 targets, $2 in 
the 25-target events, and $1 in the event at 5 pairs. The 
total entrance, including the $1 extra for the special 
purse, was $17.50. The purses on this day were divided 
Rose system, 8, 5, 3, 2. German was high gun with 178, 
and Hess was second with 176. 
Event No. 2, besides being a sweepstake, was also 
for the Harrisburg trophy. It was won by the Herron 
Hill Gun Club, of Pittsburg. 
Event No. 3 was also for the Reading trophy. It was 
won by the Independent Club of Philadelphia. Events 
Nos. 4 and 6, 25 singles and 5 pairs, respectively, was 
for the Milt Lindsley trophy. It was won by team No. 
3 of the Independent Gun Club, of Philadelphia. 
Each of these trophy events require additional en¬ 
trance besides the sweepstake entrance. 
For the special purse on this day, one-half cent was 
reserved for each target thrown in the regular events, 
which with $1 additional from each shooter, was given 
as daily average divided among Classes A, B and C, 50, 
30 and 20 per cent, respectively. That this division may 
be the better understood, the explanation, as set forth in 
the programme, is presented verbatim, as follows: 
“Class ‘A’ shooters to be determined as follows: To 
consist of ten hi^h positions at the finish of the day’s 
programme; for instance the programme calls for 185 
shots; say high score man 175, and they follow in order, 
thus: 173, 172, 172, 171, 170, 169, 168, 167, 167, 166, 165, 
165, 165, 165, etc. It will be seen that Class ‘A’ takes in the 
scores of 175 to 165, inclusive. Class ‘B’ shooters are 
those whose scores are covered by the next ten scores 
below Class ‘A,’ and Class ‘C’ shooters all below Class 
‘B.’ The money in each class divided 40, 30, 20, 10 per 
cent., high guns in said class. Every man shooting 
for targets only has the same chance at this high gun 
