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FOREST AND STREAM 
[May 29, 1909. 
July 18.—^Milwaukee, Wis.—Parker G. C. \Vm. C. Kroen- 
ing, Sec’y. 
July 20-21.—Lufkin (Tex.) G. C. Coke Murphey. Sec’y. 
July 20-21.—Milton (Wis.) G. C. E. R. Starks, Sec’y. 
July 20-22.^—Aberdeen, S. D.—South Dakota State tourna¬ 
ment, under the auspices of the Aberdeen Gun Club. 
John L. Kuckman, Sec’y. 
July 20-‘22.—Buffalo, N. Y.—The Interstate Association’s 
fourth Eastern Handicap, under the auspices of the 
BulTalo-Audubon G. C.; $1000 added. Elmer E. 
Shaner, Sec’y-Mgr., Pittsburg, Pa. 
July 21-22.—Cedar Rapids, la.—Hawkeye G. C. C. A. 
Clflrk Scc*y 
July 23-24.—W'ebster (S. D.) R. and G. C. T. J. Delaney, 
Sec’y. 
July 28-29.—Boone (la.) G. C. Fred Crary, Sec’y. 
July 24-25.—Ashland (Wis.) Trapshooters’ Association. 
O. Braun, Sec’y. 
July 31.—Danbury, Conn.—Pahquioque G. C. E. H. 
Bailey, Sec’y. 
July 31.—(jlens Falls, N. Y.—Hudson Valley R. and G. 
C. J. A. Norton, Sec’y. 
Aug. 3-4.—Audubon (la.) G. C. F. Vermilya, Sec’y. 
Aug. 4-5.—Rolling Green Park, Sunbury, Pa.—Sunbury 
and Selinsgrove G. C. H. N. Brosuis, Asst.-Sec’y. 
Aug. 4-li.—Ottawa, Can.—Dominion of Canada Trapshoot¬ 
ers’ Association tournament. Geo. Easdale, Sec’y. 
Aug. 9-10.—Portland (Me.) G. C. Chas. F. Jordan, 
Sec’y. 
Aug. 10-11.—Lock Haven (Pa.) G.C. C. A. Jobson, Sec’y. 
Aug. 10-12.—St. Paul, Minn.—The Interstate Association’s 
fourth Western Handicap tournament, under the 
auspices of the St. Paul Rod and Gun Club; $1000 
added money. Elmer E. Shaner, Sec’y-Mgr., Pitts¬ 
burg, Pa. 
Aug. 11-12.—Novinger (Mo.) G. C. R. D. Frankford, 
Sec’y. 
Aug. 11-13.—Ogden, Utah.—Idaho-Utah Sportsmen’s As¬ 
sociation tournament, under the auspices of the 
Wasatch G. C Henry L. Ernstrom, Sec’y. 
Aug. 13.—Clarksburg, VV. \'a.— Monongahela Valley 
Sportsmen’s League. Ed. H. Taylor, Sec’y. 
Aug. 13-14.—Atlantic City (N. J.) G. C. A. IT.. Sheppard, 
Sec’y. 
Aug. lfi-18.—Memphis (Tenn.) G. C. John W. Turner, 
Sec’y. 
Aug. 17-18.—Ortley, S. D.—Owl G. C. F. Hayden, Sec’y. 
Aug. 17-19.—Anaconda, Mont.—Western Boosters T. S. A. 
Jas. H. Cochran, Sec’y. 
Aug. 18.—Batavia, N. Y.—Holland G. C. Chas. W. Gar¬ 
diner, Pres. 
Aug. 24-26.—Seattle, Wash.—The Interstate Association’s 
fourth Pacific Coast Handicap tournament, under the 
auspices of the West Seattle Gun Club; $1000 added 
money. Elmer E. Shaner, Sec’y-Mgr., Pittsburg, Pa. 
Aug. 24-26.—Sioux Falls (S.D.) G. C. J. J. Burns, Pres. 
Aug. 31-Sept. 2.—Denver, (Colo.) Trap Club. A. E. 
McKenzie, Sec’y. 
Sept. 3.—Morgantown, W. Va.—Monongahela Valley 
Sportsmen’s League. Ed. H. Taylor, Sec’y. 
Sept. 6.—Charleston (W. Va.) G. C. Dr. Gynn Nichol¬ 
son, Sec’y. 
Sept. 6.—Monticello, N. Y.—Tri-County Shooting Asso¬ 
ciation. F. W. Strader, Sec’y. 
Sept. 6-7.—Richmond, Va.—Virginia Trapshooters’ Asso¬ 
ciation. V. Hechler, Sec’y. 
Sept. 6-7.-—Cincinnati, O.—Hyde Park G. C. L. C. 
Roose, Sec’y. 
Sept. 7-9.—Medford, Ore.—Pacific Indians. F. C. Riehl, 
Herald. 
Sept. 7-9.—Pacific Indians. F. C. Riehl, Herald. 
Sept. 10.—Shamokin (Pa.) G. C. S. C. Yocum, Sec’y. 
Sept. 16-18.—Atlantic City, N. J.—“Westy Hogans.” Neaf 
Apgar, Sec’y. 
Sept. 24-26.—Tucson, Ariz.—Arizona State tournament, 
under th'e auspices of the Blue Rock G. C. Kirt L. 
Hart, Sec’y. 
Oct. 8.—Grafton, W. Va.—Monongahela Valley Sports¬ 
men’s League Ed. H. Taylor, Sec’y. 
DRIVERS AND TWISTERS. 
The renowned experts, j\Ir. and Mrs. Topperwein, will 
give exhibitions of fancy shooting on the grounds of the 
Chicago, Ill., Gun Club, June 5 and 6 . 
At the tournament of the Calcasieu Gun Club, Lake 
Charles, La., May 18 and 19, Mr. W. G. Hearne was 
high professional wdth a total of 268 out of a possible 280 
for the two days. 
The stormy weather had a deterrent effect on many 
trapshooters on Saturday of last week. Only four ap¬ 
peared at the score of the Boston Athletic Association, at 
Riverside, and of these Mr. R. Foy was high with 89 
out of 100 . 
In the contest for the amateur trapshooting champion¬ 
ship of Philadelphia, Mr. Charles Mink, holder, de¬ 
feated Mr. FI. Buckwalter, 92 to 79, at the shoot of the 
Highland Gun Club, Edge Hill, May 22. The weather 
conditions were decidedly unfavorable for good scores. 
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The programme of the Chicago Gun Club, season of 
1909, sets forth a variety of competition and a variety of 
valuable prizes and trophies, the latter consisting of 
elegant cut-glass sets, numerous shotguns of famous 
make, steins, vases, gold watch, and dozens of other use¬ 
ful articles. The competition is limited to amateur mem¬ 
bers, except when otherwise specified. 
At New Haven, Conn., on May 22, Yale was victor in 
the team contest, by quite a material margin. The totals 
out of a possible 500 were: Yale, 426. New York Ath¬ 
letic Club, 416. Crescent Athletic Club, 397. Highest in¬ 
dividual score, 91, was made by Noel, of the Yale team. 
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IVe will take pleasure in publishing the communica¬ 
tion of “Blue Rock” if he will send us his name, so 
that we thereby may be assured of his good faith. 
While we do not publish a correspondent’s name if he 
wishes it withheld, we nevertheless wish to know the 
identity of our correspondents. 
The tenth anniversary shoot of the Wyoming, N. Y., 
Gun Club, June 4, has a programme of six events, a 
total of 100 targets, $6.85 entrance. Jack Rabbit and 
Rose systems will govern the divisions of the moneys. 
The competition will begin at 10 o’clock, rain or shine. 
Lunch will be served on the grounds. 
Orange vs. Newton will be the special event (No. 7, 25 
targets) at the holiday shoot. May 31, on the grounds of 
the Newton, N. J., Gun Club. 'J'he programme consists 
of nine events, at 10, 15, 20 and 25 targets, a total of 
150 targets, .$10.40 entrance. ^Shooting will commence at 
10:30 o’clock. Hot lunch. Shells for sale on the grounds. 
The Pleasure Gun Club, of Englewood, N. J., has 
arranged a programme of ten events, each at 20 targets, 
$1.40 entrance. Class shooting will govern the division 
of the moneys. The club will add $2 to each event having 
ten or more entries. Events 5 and 10 are for merchandise; 
prizes will be a brush gun, leather goods, silver and cut- 
glass articles. Events 6-10 will constitute a separate 
optional event, 100 targets, $2 entrance, high guns. Lunch 
and shells obtainable on the grounds. Ship guns, etc., 
to C. J. Westervelt, 43 Brook avenue. Shooting will be¬ 
gin at 11 o’clock. 
The Grand Missouri Handicap, the second annual 
shooting tournament of the Missouri Trapshooters’ Asso¬ 
ciation, to be held at Moberly, will have $600 added in 
cash, besides trophies. Mr. J. L. Head is manager. The 
purses are open to the competition of all amateurs; 
trophies to members of the Association. On the first 
day, the programme will commence at 11 o’clock; other 
days at 9:30. Four 15-target events, .$1.80 entrance, pre¬ 
cede the Grand Preliminary Handicap, 100 targets, $5 
entrance, $50 added. On the second day, eleven events, 
ten at 20 targets, $2.40 entrance, $15 added, and No. 11, 
at 19yds., 25 targets, $2.50 entrance, use of both barrels, 
constitute the programme. The programme on the third 
day is similar to that of the second day, excepting that 
No. 11 is at 10 pairs, $2 entrance, $20 added. On the 
fourth day five 20-target events will precede the Grand 
Missouri Handicap, 100 targets, $10 entrance, $100 added, 
handicaps I 61 to 21yds. rise; high guns. All purses, ex¬ 
cept those of the Preliminary Handicap, the 19yd. event, 
the double event and the Grand Handicap, will be di¬ 
vided Jack Rabbit system, 40, 30, 20 and 10 per cent. 
Loaded shells and lunch will be obtainable on the 
grounds. Ship shells, etc., to Fred Oliver. 
The sixth annual tournament of the New Jersey State 
Sportsmen’s Association, to be held June 1-3, will have 
as special attractions cash prizes, $375, and merchandise 
prizes valued at $300. It will be held on the grounds 
of the Jersey City Gun Club, which can be reached by 
the way of the Plank Road trolley car either from the 
Pennsylvania Ferry, Jersey City, or from Broad and 
Market streets, Newark. Ship guns, etc., prepaid, care 
of John Weippert, 1123 Communipaw avenue, Jersey 
City. Shooting will begin each day at 10 o’clock. 
Lunch and shells will be obtainable on the grounds. 
Nine events, on, the first day, are provided. Of these, 
eight are at 20 targets, $1.40 entrance. No. 5 is the 
three-man team championship, 30 targets, $3 entrance. 
A total of $45 each day is added to the different events. 
No. 5 on the second day is the two-man team cham¬ 
pionship, 50 targets per man, $4 entrance. No. 10 is 
at 10 pairs. The remaining eight events are each at 20 
targets. On the third day. No. 5 is for the amateur 
State championship, 50 targets, $2 entrance. No. 10, 25 
targets, $2 entrance, is the merchandise event. The 
remaining eight events are each at 20 targets. Mr. Harry 
FI. Stevens will manage the shoot. Mr. H. L. Brown 
will have charge of the traps. For further information 
address Secretary Charles T. Day, 618 North Seventh 
street, Newark, N. J. 
Bernard Waters. 
Small-Bore Guns. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
At the invitation of your correspondent, in his article 
on “Small-Bore Loads,” in the issue of May 8 , I venture 
to respond to his communication. I wish to say that 
my former article was in no way intended as a criticism 
of Mr. Hedderly personally, as I respect the views of a 
brother sportsman and realize fully the divergence in 
opinions upon the subject discussed, but was rather put 
forth because so many articles have appeared in this 
journal recently in advocacy of the superior shooting 
qualit.'cs of the srnall bores, while no voice appears to 
have been raised in defense of the larger gauges, and 
my own views being favorable to the larger bores, I was 
influenced, perhaps somewhat from sentiment, to advance 
n>y rcaf cns for that opinion. 
. It is undoubtedly true that of late years in this coun¬ 
try there has been a tendency toward the smaller bores, 
and so long as this is confined to the use of such guns 
for field or light shooting, I believe it to be a wise 
policy; but when the smaller bores are advocated for 
heavy work, and when it is asserted that they are as 
.good or better than the larger bores for such work, I 
beg to be allowea to give my reasons for a different 
opinion. 
Mr. Hedderly asseHed in his former article that the 
small bores had greater velocity than the large bores, and 
it was to this statement that I took exception. I cited 
tests quoted by Greener (not made by him as your cor¬ 
respondent seems to think), but the authority of those 
tests is objected to because of their age, it being staled 
that they were made in the days of black powder and 
hence cannot be a guide in these days of nitro powder. 
It would be difficult for your correspondent to explain 
why nitro powder would not produce the same relative 
result as to penetration, and hence velocity, as blacc 
powder, when each gun is tested first with one and then 
with the other; that is, why the large bore would not 
exceed the small in velocity with nitro powder as well 
as with black. Is there any explanation for such a con¬ 
clusion, which is inherent in the nitro powder itself? 
That there is not, a reference to expert authority will 
show. In former days a strong reason why every one 
should prefer small bores to large existed, which in these 
days of nitro no longer obtains. Henry .Sharp, in 
“Modern Sporting Gunnery” (1906), on page 432, says: 
“The battle of the bores, or the question as to the 
superiority or otherwise of the 12 and 16 bore, which 
has been carried on for the last thirty years, has given 
the victory to the 12 -bore, so far as men are concerned. 
If, like our forefathers, we were compelled to use black 
powder, and had to construct our weapons of sufficient 
weight to withstand the heavy recoil given by this pow¬ 
der, we should express no surprise at the agitation then 
set on foot for the purpose of meeting the difficulty of 
recoil by a gun of smaller bore and consequently lighter 
weight, which became all the more comfortable to shoot 
by reason of the reduced powder and shot charge em¬ 
ployed. * * * Thus we see that the old order of things 
presented two serious difficulties: First, the heavy weight 
of the gun, and second, undue recoil. In order to re- 
rhove the difficulty of the weight, some authorities ad¬ 
vocated the 16-bore. * * * Nevertheless the 16-bore, 
although popular in some circles, never came into gen¬ 
eral use, from the fact that the lighter charge of shot 
employed involved a reduction of efficiency in the field 
as compared with a larger charge of shot fired from the 
12-bore it was to supplant. Had it been capable of equal 
performance with the 12 -bore, coupled with its other ad¬ 
vantages, it would have rendered discussion superfluous, 
and the 16-bore would have gained the victory. But its 
one short-coming as compared with the 12 -bore, although 
not of sufficient importance to outweigh the advantages 
it conferred, left just that weak spot for the attack of its 
opponents, and thus it was that the vexed question of 13 
and 16 bores seemed to have become a perennial theme 
of discussion.” 
Other expert authorities have expressed similar views. 
Thus, Teasdale-Buckell, in “Experts on Guns and 
Shooting” (1900), at page 170, says: 
“There is, however, one superstition about small bores 
that dies hard. Even the old generations are inclined to 
believe that a 20 -bore will give a closer pattern than a 
12-bore. This is far from being the case. * * * As a 
matter of fact, no 20 -bore can be made to shoot as 
closely as a 12-bore. * * * Up to certain distances it 
is rnuch the qasiest gun to use with success, but there is 
a distinct loss beyond that. * * * We should say that 
the small bores are easier to handle and to kill with, 
within 30 or 35 yards, and to shoot with them much 
beyond such distances is cruelty to the game.” 
A noted Arnerican expert confirms these views, Capt. 
Money says, in “Guns, Ammunition and Tackle” (1904) 
on pages 53 and 66 , as follows: 
“As to lighter guns and smaller bores, I, like many 
others, caught the infection some twenty years ago, when 
there was a strong movement in England in that direc¬ 
tion. I had 20-bores and 16-bores, but gradually I, like 
every one else I knew, came to the conclusiqn that for 
all-round shooting, and to get the most that could be got 
out of a gun, there was nothing to beat the medium 
weight No. 12-bore. * * * I have seen wonderful work 
done in the field with both 16s and 20s, and I have shot 
them both a good deal mvself; but the average shooter 
will always do better work in the long run with a 12 - 
bore, and for that reason it has been the standard bore 
for many a long year, and will, I think, continue to be 
so for all time. For women and children the small-bore 
with its small grip, is suitable, and also you can get 
better shooting out of a small-bore when it is an object 
to use a very light load than the same load will give in 
a 12 -bore.” 
Despite Mr. Hedderly’s intimation, I do not lay any 
claim myself to be rated as an expert, but the authori¬ 
ties I have quoted from are world-renowned authors, all 
of whom may be safely placed in that categorv, and the 
opinions they express confirm the views I advanced in 
my former 'article; in fact, those views were based upon 
those opinions as well as vipon my own experience, as I 
there stated. It therefore appears to be the accepted < 
doctrine that the small bores are not equal to the larger 
ones in effective work, and hence not in velocity. Having 
