May 29, 1909.] 
FOREST AND STREAM 
869 
WINCHESTER 
Shotguns and Shotgun Shells 
DISTANCE THE FIELD IN IOWA 
At Breda^: May 13-14, Charles 
G. Spencer broke 395 out of 400 
tars^ets, making straight runs of 106 
and 143, the latter being unfinished. 
He shot a Winchester Repeating 
Shotgun and Winchester Shells— 
regula.r stock loads. 
C. G. SPENCER 
who shot 98.7^ for 400 
targets, and made straight 
runs of 106 and 143 at 
Breda. 
FRED GILBERT 
Winner of Iowa State 
Tournament, with an aver¬ 
age of 96.4^ for 600 targets. 
At Burlington: May 17-20, 
Fred Gilbert won the Iowa State 
Shoot by breaking 540 out of 560 
targets. He also won the Ottumwa 
Diamond Badge with a score of 47 out of 50 targets from 22 yards. 
He used Winchester Shells— regular stock loads. William Wet- 
leaf won High Amateur Average, shooting a Winchester Repeating 
Shotgun and Winchester “Leader” Shells. A. P. Smith won Third 
Amateur Average, shooting a Winchester Repeating Shotgun. 
Charles Ditto won the Two-Barrel Event with 20 straight from 19 
yards, using Winchester “Repeater” Shells. 
Repeated ox) ert&f helming x)iciories prox)e ihe 
superiority of XOinchester Shotguns and Win^ 
Chester Shotgun Shells—Regular StocK^ Loads — 
the Kind any sportsman can buy anywhere 
demonstrated the accuracy of that statement by the 
quotation of eminent authority in support of it, I may 
reasonably inquire upon what Mr. Hedderly’s statement 
to the contrary is based? Where and when were the 
tests to which he alludes made? Are they authenticated 
bv any reliable reports, and if so where may they be 
obtained? The statement that “every test conducted in 
this or any other country” shows certain results is a 
pretty sweeping statement, and we can hardly be ex¬ 
pected to accept it without further inquiry, in the ab¬ 
sence of authentic data to corroborate it, especially when 
it comes in conflict with well established records of 
public tests showing a contrary result. 
I have cited such records. I now call upon Mr. Hed- 
derly to produce the proofs in support of his assertions. 
It will not be sufficient for him to merely reiterate the 
statement in different terms, even though modified in 
strength, as in his last article, where he now says: “The 
excess of velocity of small-bores over bigger, with pro¬ 
portionate not to say larger charges, I believe is already 
established.” Formerly he asserted this positively; now 
he savs he believes it to be so. But in neither instance 
does he produce any proof to substantiate the statement, 
yet such statement is the nub of the issue under dis¬ 
cussion. The divergence of views cannot be accounted 
for by saying that in Minnesota some people shoot at 
ducks while flying at distances from flO to lOOyds. high. 
I T live on Lake Superior, close to Minnesota, and am 
I familiar with conditions there, yet I venture to say that 
I any one who habitually shot at ducks at such distances 
i would be classed with the greenhorns who go out from 
I the cities on holidays and are familiarly dubbed “stiff- 
j hat” hunters. I do not at all doubt the accuracy of 
your correspondent’s personal experiences with his small¬ 
bore guns, and do not wish to be understood as criti¬ 
cising in any hostile spirit. I have the greatest charity 
for different opinions from mine held bv a fellow sports¬ 
man. and it is only in,’ the most friendly spirit of con¬ 
troversy and at his express invitation that I have set 
t forth the basis upon which my conclusions are founded. 
I would be glad to have him do likewise. It seems that 
I have unwittingly adopted a time-worn nom de plume, 
but having once taken it I dislike to change, hence, 
notwithstanding your corre=oondent’s ohiection to it, I 
again venture to sign myself Twelve-Gauge. 
The Palefaces. 
Boston, Mass., Mav IT.- — R. Burnes and C. Frost 
easily shook the field at the Wellington traps to-day, 
the former with 88 per cent, and the latter just 1 per 
cent. shy. Todd, with an 83 clip, came in next, and 
Clarke, with 81, took care of the remaining honor. 
Just what caused so many of the regulars to drop so 
much is hard to say, but the wind being close upon a 
gale the targets were a most difficult lot, and the high 
averages deserve more than the usual amount of credit 
for their scores under the hard conditions. 
In the Curtis cup match, some seven shooters made 
the possible, and it took a deal of shooting to make 
the win. Bob Burnes, with a big handicap, looked for 
all the world like the ultimate winner, almost did it: 
but at the last minute Thomas steps in with a good 
score and wins out on even terms. Bob’s gun and 
load somewhat went back on him in the last round, 
which no doubt was some cause for missing: but 
Thomas had been supplemented with Hassam’s single- 
barrel creation, which has a bad habit of getting firsts, 
and it was a case of not to be outdone. 
Mrs. W. K. Park shot through the main events, and, 
barring the last event, where 8 of the 22 misses were 
made, was holding well up to the leaders, with a good 
chance for a place in the average column. 
Targets: 15 15 20 15 15 20 Total. 
Burnes . 14 12 20 14 12 16 88 
Frost . 15 12 17 12 13 18 87 
Todd . 13 11 15 13 14 17 83 
Clarke . 13 14 14 12 12 16 81 
Mrs Park . 14 10 16 12 14 12 78 
Jones . 13 14 14 8 11 17 77 
Charles .11 12 13 11 12 16 75 
Buffalo .11 13 12 13 13 11 73 
Frank .10 10 15 10 13 14 72 
Everett . 9 12 13 11 13 14 72 
Cavicchi . 10 11 16 10 14 11 72 
Hassam . 10 11 10 9 13 12 65 
Muldown . 10 10 18 13 12 .. 63 
Thomas .14 11 12 17 54 
Bryant . 14 8 12 17 51 
Brown . ... .. 11 10 12 11 44 
Clapp . 5 5 6 6 .. .. 22 
Curtis cup match: 
Score. Hdcp. Total. 
Todd . 
. 13 
14 
17 
44 
12 
56 
Thomas . 
. 11 
12 
17 
40 
15 
55 
Burnes . 
. 14 
12 
16 
42 
11 
53 
Clarke . 
. 12 
12 
16 
40 
12 
52 
Bryant . 
. 8 
12 
17 
37 
14 
51 
Tones . 
. 8 
11 
17 
36 
15 
51 
Frost . 
. 12 
13 
18 
43 
7 
50 
Charles . 
. 11 
12 
16 
39 
10 
49 
Brown . 
. 10 
12 
11 
33 
15 
48 
Everett . 
. 11 
13 
14 
38 
10 
48 
Mrs Park . 
. 12 
14 
12 
38 
9 
47 
Cavicchi . 
. 10 
14 
11 
35 
8 
43 
Buffalo . 
. 13 
13 
11 
37 
9 
46 
Frank . 
. 10 
13 
14 
37 
5 
42 
Hassam . 
. 9 
13 
12 
34 
7 
41 
Thomas won in the shoot-off on the third try of 25 
targets. 
May 19.—The weekly Paleface shoot to-day brought 
forth an attendance of sixteen, and it is safe to say that 
the entire bunch were out for the enjoyment of trap¬ 
shooting, and for once allowed scores to take second 
place. 
The fight for high average was a good contest, and 
looked like a walkover for Frank at the start. But for an 
unfortunate event in his last 20. he would have placed 
the high up among the 96s and 97s. Just three birds 
escaped his 1%07. load in the first 80, and while on 
paper not as wood as 456 straight, it was looked upon as 
a corker by the remaining fifteen shooters. 
Quite a jump between the second and third averages, 
Dickey with 82, just fresh from his New York and Penn¬ 
sylvania trip, nosing out Burnes and Frost by two 
targets. Roy looked somewhat out of place with 20, but 
promises better work when he gets accustomed to his 
new pump creation. Some years ago, Roy shot a 
pump, and is now going back to his original pet. 
In the Curtis cup match, Frank, Hassam and Jones 
secured the necessary 50, and proceeded to shoot it off. 
It took only one round to find that the “candy kid” 
wanted the honor, as he again filled out a possible, while 
Frank and Jones failed to qualify by one and two birds 
respectively. 
Targets: 15 15 20 15 15 20 Total. 
Frank .-....141519151416 93 
Kirkwood . 13 14 20 14 12 20 93 
*Dickey . 12 13 15 14 13 15 82 
Frost . 11 13 17 14 11 14 80 
Burnes . 12 12 17 11 12 16 80 
’"Sibley . 12 13 16 11 8 19 79 
Hassam . 14 12 11 11 14 16 78 
Charles . 13 13 13 11 11 15 76 
Bryant . 10 12 15 8 13 14 72 
Roy . 5 8 15 15 12 15 70 
Clarke . 14 12 12 8 8 14 68 
Jones . 8 7 15 11 7 18 66 
Bowlinger . 4 6 13 10 10 6 49 
Thomas . 10 6 14 15 45 
Reid . 10 9 15 9 .. .. 43 
Lawson . 9 7 13 29 
‘"Professionals. 
Third shoot for Curtis trophy, 50 targets, with added 
liandicaps: Hassam (handicap 91, Frank i"7) and Jones 
(15) tied for first place with full scores of 50. Shoot-off 
at 25 targets won by Hassam, who broke 25, Frank 23 
and Jones 22. The other scores: Kirkwood (3) 49, 
Bryant (14) 49, Sibley (10) 48, Charles (11) 48, Burnes (9) 
47, Roy (4) and Dickey (4) 46, Thomas (11) 46, Frost (6) 
45, Lawson (13) 42, Bowlinger (15) 41, Clarke (10) 40. 
Correction. 
Pittsburg, Pa., May 20 . — Editor Forest and Stream: In 
checking up the records of the Southern Handicap tour¬ 
nament, I find that Mr. C. O. Le Compte broke 325 out 
of the 340 targets shot at, from the 16yd. mark, instead 
of 323, as stated in Forest and Stream’s report of the 
tournament. This gives Mr Le Compte second high pro¬ 
fessional average without a tie. 
I very much regret the errors which crept into the 
report of the Southern Handicap tournament. I depended 
on the office force at Nashville for the scores and ex¬ 
tensions, and in the hurry to get the scores in shape it 
seems that they were not as careful in their additions as 
they might have been. You will understand the situation. 
Elmer E. Shaner, Sec’y-Mgr. 
