June 26, 1909.] 
FOREST AND STREAM 
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The NEW 
WINCHESTER 
“TOURJM AMENT’ 
SKotgun 
LIST PRICE, $42.00 
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Reliable Repeater 
The Repeater that Meets 
Every Trap-Shooting Requirement 
SPECIFICATIONS : 12 Gauge, Take-Down, 30-inch 
Winchester Rolled Steel matted barrel, bored to shoot trap 
loads close and hard. Special-shaped straight grip stock and action, 
slide handle of selected walnut, checked. Length of stock 14 
inches, drop at comb, 1^ inch, at heel 1 il inch. Rubber butt plate. 
Stock oil finished. Weight of gun about 7^ pounds. 
Send for a circular fully describing the •'Tournament” Gun. 
or step into your dealer’s and examine one. It is 
A GUN THAT WILL HELP MAKE HIGH SCORES 
Montpelier 
Gun Club. 
G V Walton.... 
.... 35 
H P Moulton.... 
.. 42 
W R Abbott.... 
.... 33 
G E McGrath.... 
.. 38—178 
C H Burr. 
.... 30 
The merchandise event resulted as follows: 
B F Smith. 
. 24 
A S Head. 
.13 
M S Foote. 
.18 
G Palmer . 
.12 
W P Twigg.... 
.15 
R F Pinney. 
. 13 
J H Anderson.. 
. 14 
J P Sousa. 
. 12 
June 17, Second Day. 
The State championship was won by A. J. Wright, of 
Middlebury, a youngster of seventy-one years. He shot 
off a tie at 25 targets with C. E. Davis and won by one 
target. 
John Philip Sousa won the Ithaca gun handicap, m 
which he, H. F. Brown, of Glens Falls, N. Y., and 
H. B. Moulton, of Montpelier, tied on 50. Each had 
four targets allowance. In the shoot-off at 10 targets 
Brown scored 8, while Moulton and Sousa sc 9 red 9. In 
the second shoot-off the scores were 9 to 8 in favor of 
Sousa. 
In the merchandise event J. B. Howley made a run of 
35 and won first; second. Dr. R. E. Smith, with a run 
of 27. C. E. Davis and H. B. Moulton tied for amateur 
high League average for the two days, and in the shoot- 
off at 25 targets Davis won, 24 to 21. Jack Fanning 
made high professional average with 304 out of 320, an 
average of 95 per cent. Highest amateurs for the two 
days were: First, E. M. Hurd, of Albany, _N. Y.; sec¬ 
ond, H 
Moulton 
F. Brown, Glens 
and C. E. Davis. 
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Falls, N. Y.; third, H. B. 
Events: 
JAR Elliott.... 
A E Sibley. 
W E Hill. 
J S Fanning. 
A J Crowley. 
C H 1 
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Broke. 
20 16 18 18 20 16 18 19 
160 
145 
16 13 15 16 15 17 15 19 
160 
126 
19 20 18 19 18 20 18 17 
160 
149 
20 19 18 20 20 20 19 19 
160 
155 
15 19 16 15 15 15 16 18 
160 
129 
17 15 19 19 17 19 18 20 
160 
144 
18 15 18 17 14 16 15 14 
160 
127 
17 18 19 20 17 19 18 18 
160 
147 
14 13 17 14 14 17 18 15 
160 
122 
15 16 17 12 14 15 13 15 
160 
118 
17 18 18 17 17 19 18 20 
160 
144 
19 19 17 15 18 18 16 17 
160 
139 
15 15 14 16 15 18 13 15 
160 
111 
19 16 16 14 18 17 14 18 
160 
132 
17 19 16 17 14 17 10 14 
160 
114 
IS 17 18 18 18 20 17 19 
160 
135 
14 13 13 13 14 14 14 14 
160 
109 
14 17 18 13 16 14 .... 
140 
112 
13 17 16 13 17 13 16 18 
160 
123 
17 17 17 16 18 17 18 17 
160 
137 
16 18 16 15 14 . 
100 
79 
16 16 16 13 . 
80 
61 
19 19 15 19 16 20 19 19 
160 
146 
14 14 13 15 . 
80 
56 
J W White. 
... 17 15 15 14 14 13 15 15 
160. 
118 
R E Smith. 
... 15 17 15 17 19 11 11 18 
160 
123 
G E Megrath .... 
... 18 15 18 17 .. 15 16 16 
140 
115 
H L Abbott. 
... 19 17 16 14 14 13 18 17 
160 
128 
R W Wheeler. 
... 15 16 16 17 14 . 
100 
78 
... 12 16 . 
40 
28 
I L Adams. 
... 18 18 18 15 15 10 .. .. 
120 
94 
W M Marshall.... 
... 16 16 18 13 16 13 .. .. 
120 
92 
... 17 18 17 19 18 . 
100 
89 
. 17 13 11 13 11 . 
100 
65 
... 13 12 14 14 10 . 
100 
63 
A S Head. 
... 17 19 20 14 15 15 .. .. 
120 
80 
... 16 15 14 14 14. 
100 
73 
... 18 19 15 15 12 . 
100 
79 
J B Howley. 
... 15 18 15 15 13. 
100 
76 
... 17 15 14 16 16 . 
100 
78 
.. 11 10. 
40 
21 
,,, 12 14 . 
40 
26 
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15 17 . 
40 
32 
B H Norton. 
... 9 12 9 .. .. 9 .. .. 
SO 
39 
... 9 7 . 
40 
16 
C F Newell. 
.16 13 14 11 .. .. 
80 
54 
T Pollard . 
. 13 .. .. 4 .. .. 
40 
17 
H W Maynard.... 
. 12 .. .. 12 .. .. 
40 
24 
W C Crippen. 
. 11 .. .. 12 .. .. 
40 
23 
F B Chapman. 
. 6 13 .... 
40 
19 
J N Ingalsbe. 
. 16 8 .. .. 
40 
24 
C Hyland . 
. 14 .. .. 
20 
14 
The League meeting had an attendance of fourteen 
delegates. The Fair Haven and Brandon clubs were 
admitted to membership. It was carried that the next 
shoot shall be held at St. Albans, under the auspices 
of the St. Albans Gun Club. Dr. C. H. Burr, who re¬ 
tired as secretary, was thanked unanimously. Officers 
were elected as follows: President, A. S. Head, of the 
St. Albans Gun Club: Vice-President, Cushing_ Hill, of 
the Middlebury Gun Club; Secretary, C. E. Davis, of the 
Rutland Gun Club; Treasurer, J. W. Fowler, of the 
Manchester Gun Club; Directors, Dr. Ray E. Smith, of 
the Rutland Gun Club; P. S. Clark, of Lyndonville, and 
R. F. Pinney, of the Middlebury Gun Club. 
Twenty-eighl-Bore Velocifies. 
Editor Forest and Stream: 
Anent the discussion between Mr. Hedderly and Twelve 
Gauge, I believe neither is right. At least so far as Mr. 
Hedderly’s public tests are concerned, we “must be 
showed,” and on the other hand, I cannot accept Twelve 
Gauge’s deductions, for by the witnesses which he names 
one can show that smokeless powder is possessed of 
vagaries that black powder never dreamed of. 
Last shooting season I was using a 28-bore by Greener, 
and had followed the maker’s suggestion and was using 
1% drams smokeless powder and % ounce of shot. I 
was much pleased with the load, judging by the game I 
got; but being desirous of knowing the velocity, a big 
powder company agreed to test my home-loaded shells 
and reported as follows: 
“Our ballistic engineer advises that in firing the shells 
for velocity, only three out of a series of ten, recorded 
on the instrument. This means that the velocity of these 
shots which did not record was below 685 feet, which is 
the lowest record which can be obtained on our chrono¬ 
graph. The highest velocity obtained was 716 feet; * * * 
he experimented with 1% drams powder and % ounce 
shot, and in a series 'ff ten shots obtained the following 
velocities: 
Mean . 834 Mean variation.11-2 
Extreme variation. 42 
“* * * The velocities are all taken on a 120-foot 
range.” _ . , , . 
Now since at this range, 900 feet is the ideal—and,- as 
I understand it, so far unreached—velocity- in medium 
game loads, I submit that there can be no appreciable 
difference in velocity between the 12 and smaller gauges. 
I would like to shake hands with Small Bore; his 
“Point of View” puts the matter right. Time was when 
we hunted for “meat”; now surely it is for sport, and 
with a narrow bore any passable shot can bring home 
enough game for a “mess.” Russell. 
In Appreciation. 
Syracuse, N. Y., June 14.—Editor Forest and Stream: 
In connection with the fifty-first annual State shoot of 
the New York State Sportsmen’s Association, held at 
Syracuse, June 8, 9 and 10, I feel it my pleasant duty 
to publicly express my gratitude to all who assisted in 
making it a success. 
Especial credit is due Mr. Luther J. Squier, of the 
E. I. Dupont de Nemours Powder Co, who rendered 
most efficient service in charge of the office. His work 
here mdde it possible to mail to every contestant the 
day after the shoot his check for the amount due him. 
I also wish as President of the State Association, to 
commend the Squier money-back system, which resulted 
in the shooters staying until the events were all finished, 
in spite of the fact that the last day was exceptionally 
disagreeable because of a continuous downpour of rain. 
I also believe this system greatly increased the attend¬ 
ance. . 
Another one who gave us great assistance was Mr. 
Charles North, of the Chamberlin Cartridge & Target 
Company, who had charge of the working of the traps. 
As they operated perfectly, this allowed him to give 
his time to the shoot in general, which enabled us to 
pull off all the events on time, although there were 
over 100 shooters. 
I also wish to thank every one of the contestants tor 
their promptness to the score, and if the shoot was a 
success, it was because of this co-operation. 
H. W. Smith. 
