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FOREST AND STREAM 
[Feb. 23, 1907. 
New York City Cup, etc. 
Ossining, N. Y., Feb. 17. —Editor Forest and Stream: 
I read your answer to my letter of the 2d inst., in which 
were presented some hard nuts to crack. Then came a 
letter from Mr. Banks, which stated that an answer from 
him would be forthcoming in the next issue of Forest 
and Stream. It is with fear and trembling that I again 
take up my poor pen, for I have forces arrayed against 
me which no common dabbler of ink could meet with 
perfect confidence in the outcome. Right well do> we 
know Mr. Waters’ caustic pen, and equally as well do 
we remember that of his able predecessor, Mr. Banks. 
p Mr. Waters says: “In any event, the State Associa¬ 
tion was not organized and supported for the purpose 
of filling the treasuries of rapacious or indigent local 
clubs.” When clubs are chosen to- hold State shoots, 
the indigent ones are likely to meet with poor support 
at the conventions. Clubs with large memberships and 
resources are sought for, and records show that these 
are the ones that have usually been awarded the shoots. 
As for their rapaciousness, this word can be defined in 
so many different ways that it can hardly be admitted. 
The accepting of a State shoot is a big risk for a club 
running on a small margin. There is record of at least 
one club going to smash as a result of trying to give a 
State shoot. They had as fine a list of prizes, with the 
possible exception of a Rochester shoot, as have ever 
beeri offered in this State. Up-State shooters failed to 
support it, and shooters from New York city and 
vicinity stayed away. A week of bad weather will put a 
balance on the debit side of any club’s books. 
Ossining took the 1993 tournament from the Schenec¬ 
tady Gun Club, when they lost their grounds, and on 
two' months’ notice ran a paying shoot. They were $800 
in the game before the first gun was fired, but they 
got it all back and some for good measure when it was 
finished. This was only accomplished by a lot of hard 
work donated by the members, also several hundred 
dollars’ worth of medals and other prizes from the same 
source. 
The Infallible -Gun Club, of Buffalo, lost money on 
the State shoot last year. I do not think the different 
manufacturers consider they are being blackmailed when 
they donate prizes or take space in programmes. This 
is advertising, and in the latter case a cheap form of 
advertising. I have been informed from a reliable 
source that programme advertising is more profitable 
than any other kind. It stands to reason that a gun, 
powder or shell ad. placed in the hands of users or con¬ 
sumers has a drawirtg capacity equal to that of a medium 
devoted to mixed sports, which has a list many times 
larger than that of the smaller medium. Profits do not 
go to individual members of club. 
Outsiders attend shoots; they put up the price of a 
sweep, depending on their skill to get that back and the 
price of the targets at two cents each. Sometimes they 
get it back; more often they do not. The profits on the 
targets are put in the club’s treasury, and at future 
shoots money is added by the club. This is in tu'rn won 
by shooters; it comprises the profits of the previous 
shoot, and again the profits are gathered. Along comes 
a rainy day, the regulars fail to turn up, and the money 
accruing from the several events is not sufficient to pay 
the added money, so the club has to “dig.” If it were 
not for the merchandise event, no State shoot could be 
run at a profit. 
Mr. Banks uses my “unfortunate” allusion to the “old 
fight against trade representatives” for an excuse to 
“spend some of his leisure moments in answering me.” 
I feel flattered that I could gain a response from him, 
even if it was of a negative order. As I write this, with 
the same breath I pray that he will not take offense, as 
I personally value his regard equally with that of any 
man I call friend. 
Regarding the winners of the N. Y. City Trophy 
since 1898 I would not presume to ask any friend to 
search back records for scores. I personally put in two 
or three whole days last year drawing up the Dean 
Richmond cup records to date, and when business per¬ 
mits will take up the City Cup job. Mr. Waters was 
most courteous to me then, and I have no doubt of 
his treatment even after this tilt. 
When I used the term “old fight against trade repre¬ 
sentatives,” I did not mean that there was any ani¬ 
mosity toward trade representatives—far from it. It was 
more a wolf and sheep proposition I pointed at. There 
is no set of men extant who are loved more for their 
fairness and general good-fellowship than trade repre¬ 
sentatives. 
Regarding the failure of the winner of the . City Cup 
to qualify for it this year with a bond, Mr. 'Banks 
must remember that the clause in the constitution 
governing the bond was amended at Buffalo last year, 
and naturally that was the first opportunity of enforcing 
it. Mr. Elliott’s word is good for a hundred cups; but 
if we are to live up to the articles of the constitution, 
we cannot discard any one of them. 
I did not mean to trespass so far on your space, so 
wi 1 ! break away, ]ikely leaving some points unan¬ 
swered, but having touched, I trust, the most important 
parts. 
Chas. G. Blandford, 
Sec’y N. Y. S. Assn. 
Montclair Gun Club. 
Montclair, N. J., Feb. 16. —The midwinter tourna- 
1 lir Gun Club was run off to-day, 
twenty--:x men participating in the several events. Be- 
si b - hve events for practice, eleven events for silver 
r„V«», well as a team race with the Ossining Gun 
C • 1 b, _ was on the day’s programme. 
Ossining showed up in good shape, bringing nine men 
hut I < 1 1 - unable to shoot in the match 
o'.\ me to an accident to his gun. Ossining was an easy 
winner with targets to spare, taking home the cup. 
< pieman, U 11 . e Ossining team, also won the prize for 
high gun in this event. Dukes, of the Montclair Club 
was the winner of four first prizes in the merchandise 
events and Moffett of three, while Coleman, of the vis¬ 
iting club, took the greatest number of prizes. 
The trade was represented by J. A. R. Elliott and 
H. P. Fessenden. 
Montclair was the winner of the five-man team race, 
50 targets per man, with the Troy Meadows Fish and 
Game Association on Lincoln’s Birthday, capturing a 
very handsome cup. Scores 205 to 189. 
Events: 123456789 10 11 
Targets: 
15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 
* 
* 15 
Elliott . 
14 10 12 13 13 15 14 12 
. 14 
Fessenden . 
8 9. 
Dukes . 
12 14 10 12 14 13 15 13 
0 
5 10 
Travers . 
11 14 9 12 11 
11 12 12 
3 
2 11 
Coleman . 
13 10 14 13 13 13 11 13 
2 15 13 
Kendall . 
7 8 10 .... 
Moffett .. 
14 13 12 11 14 
12 12 14 
7 
0 12 
Winslow . 
11 9 11 12 10 
10 11 12 
1 
5 12 
Betti . 
.. 12 8 12 12 
12 11 9 
1 14 11 
Clark . 
.. 11 11 11 9 
10 11 12 
6 
1 14 
Bush . 
.. .. 12 11 10 
10 10 .. 
0 
0 10 
Boxall . 
12 6 11 
1 
1 8 
Parke . 
9 4 7 
3 
0 12 
Gockefair . 
12 14 10 
4 10 
Crane . 
9 11 10 
6 
1 13 
Anderson . 
9 .. .. 
Allan . 
11 11 12 
3 
0 12 
Winslow, Jr.... 
6 .. .. 
Barlow . 
9 
Blandford . 
9 .. .. 
.. 10 
Washburne .... 
12 .. .. 
.. 11 
Brewerton . 
10 
.. 11 
Bedell . 
14 .. .. 
.. 14 
Tilt . 
14 .. .. 
,. 14 
Hughes . 
.. 6 .. 
1 
7 13 
Soverel . 
..6 9 
.. 10 
*Miss-and-outs. 
Team race, 50 
targets per 
man: 
Ossining Gun 
Club. 
Montclair Gun 
Club. 
Travers . 
....39 
Allen .... 
..38 
Betti . 
....42 
. .39 
Clark . 
....39 
Tilt .; 
..34 
Brewerton . 
....40 
Crane .... 
..35 
Coleman . 
....42 
Moffett .. 
..42 
Washburne . 
....42 
Bojcall ... 
..36 
Bedell . 
....40 
Cockefair 
..39 
Blandford . 
....32-316 
Winslow . 
..30- 
-293 
Edward Winslow, Sec’y. 
Boston Gun Club. 
Boston, Mass., Feb. 13. —Thirty Bostonian trapshooters 
journeyed to' the Boston Gun Club grounds at Welling¬ 
ton to-day and made trappers and scorers hustle to the 
tune of 4,000 targets in somewhat less than four hours, 
which ordinarily would be called “going some.” The 
B. G. C. crew, however, are used to this kind of work, 
and the faster things hum, the better their enjoyment 
seems to be. 
To enumerate the assemblage would take a month, but 
taking the fact that Sim Glover, Frank E. Butler, Jack 
Brimley, E. C. Griffiths, - O. R. Dickey, Roy Hodsdon, 
F. Hilliard, Buffalo F. Smith, P. H. Powell, IT. Bain, 
E. T. Gleason, A. E. Sibley, not forgetting a host of 
others, were present, it seemed as though every shooter 
was present and no direction of the compass not rep¬ 
resented. 
“Little Billy Fleer.” of the “cartridge gospel mission,” 
was slated to do a South Paw stunt of 125 straight, but 
after a visit from “Dr.-Kill-em-quick Gleason,” special 
physician of the Palefaces, the recovery was not as 
quick as expected, therefore it was a necessity to post¬ 
pone the visit till next year, when he promises to be in 
the best of health and "spirits. 
Sim Glover, of dense powder fame, proved to be the 
man of the hour and broke almost 96 per cent, from the 
16yd. line, leading his nearest competitor 4 targets, 
though he has a decidedly bad habit of breaking his 
targets up so fine that there are cases of not being able 
to judge them for dusting, and it certainly looked as 
though they had been through a stone crusher or a road 
roller process. Probably this was Sim’s way of demon¬ 
strating the effectiveness of his company’s products, 
and most assurely it was a very effective way. 
High average in the amateur line was carefully packed 
in Hugh Bain’s game sack, and a most popular win it 
was, to say the least, as the books made up did not 
quite give any high average credit to this Providence ex¬ 
pert ; hut this was the time that sure things went wrong, 
and Hugh fooled the wise ones quite considerably. 
Stevens’ 47 in the trophy match was also a pretty piece 
of work and proves that the distance had no- terrors for 
him. Other scores: 
Events: 
1 
O 
3 
4 5 
6 7 8 9 
Shot 
Targets: 
15 15 15 10 15 10 15 15 15 
at. 
Brk. 
Glover, 16yds. .. 
... 14 
15 
15 
10 15 10 14 12 14 
125 
119 
Dickey, 16. 
... 13 
14 
13 
8 13 
10 14 15 15 
125 
115 
Bain, 18 . 
...14 
14 
13 
8 15 10 14 15 11 
125 
114 
Powell, 19 . 
...15 
14 
12 10 15 
8 11 12 15 
125 
112 
(lleason, 21 . 
...14 
13 
13 10 13 
9 13 12 15 
125 
112 
Griffiths, 21 . 
...14 
13 
15 
9 14 
8 9 13 14 
125 
109 
Roy, 21 . 
...12 
15 
15 
8 12 
8 9 15 13 
125 
107 
Buffalo, 19 . 
...13 
12 
14 14 13 
7 13 13 15 
125 
106 
Kirkwood, 16 ... 
... 10 
11 
13 10 14 10 14 14 10 
125 
106 
Hassam, 18 . 
...12 
14 
13 
9 12 
8 13 15 9 
125 
105 
Frank, 19 . 
... 13 
15 
12 
7 13 
9 11 10 14 
125 
104 
Hepner, IS . 
...14 
12 
12 
8 12 
8 14 11 13 
125 
104 
Butler, 16 . 
.... 1 
12 
11 
9 12 10 12 11 15 
125 
102 
Letendre, 16 . 
...14 
9 
11 
9 12 
8 14 12 11 
125 
100 
Sadler, 16 . 
... 10 
14 
12 
7 11 
6 14 12 12 
125 
98 
Sibley, 16 . 
...12 
9 
11 
8 9 10 13 11 13 
125 
96 
( omer. 18 . 
.... 9 
12 
12 
8 10 
6 12 11 13 
125 
93 
Burnes, 18 . 
... 13 
13 
13 10 9 
9 6 10 9 
125 
92 
Powdrell, 16 _ 
... 11 
9 
12 
7 10 
7 9 10 11 
125 
86 
Sawin, 16 . 
... 9 
11 
10 
5 10 
6 7 11 10 
125 
79 
Eles, 10 . 
... S 
7 
10 
6 6 
6 10 6 13 
125 
72 
Daggett, 18 . 
...13 
8 
8 
4 8 
6 7 12 6 
125 
72 
Jack, 16 . 
... 8 
12 
7 
6 7 
5 7 8 9 
125 
69 
Muldovn, 16 ... 
...13 
12 
13 
8 14 
8 12 .. .. 
95 
80 
Stevens, i9 . 
14 
15 
9 14 
9 15 .. .. 
80 
75 
ITorrigan, 16 _ 
10 
11 
9 8 
70 
45 
Hardy, 18 . 
13 
13 
6 .. 
40 
32 
Richards, 16 . 
9 
7 .. 
25 
16 
Monks, 16 . 
10 
6 .. 
25 
16 
Frederick, 16 .... 
9 .. 
10 
9 
Trophy match, 50, targets, 
Class A: 
Yds. 
T’l. 
Stevens . 
.19 
47 
Gleason . 
.21 
45 
Powell . 
.19 
44 
Griffiths .... 
.21 
40 
Class B: 
Bain . 
.18 
47 
Letendre 
.16 
44 
Hepner . 
.18 
42 
Ilassam . 
.IS 
42 
Muldown .... 
.16 
42 
Class C: 
Powdrell . 
.16 
33 
Estes . 
.16 
28 
distance handicap: 
Frank . 
Yds. 
.19 
T’l. 
40 
Roy . 
.21 
37 
Buffalo . 
.19 
37 
Sadler . 
.18 
38 
Comer . 
.18 
36 
Burnes . 
.18 
34 
Daggett .... 
.18 
25 
Sawin . 
.16 
28 
Jack . 
.16 
25 
Crescent Athletic Club. 
Brooklyn, L. I., Feb. 16.—The competition was keen 
at the weekly shoot of the Crescent Athletic Club, at the 
club’s grounds, Bay Ridge, to-day. Mr. H. M. Brigham, 
one of the experts, put in an appearance, after an ab¬ 
sence of many months from the club shoots, and while 
he shot well, he was not quite up to his former degree 
of excellence. Mr. A. E. Hendrickson scored a leg on 
the February cup, with the limit of 25. Scores: 
Trophy, 15 targets: 
H. T. 
F B Stephenson. 0 14 
G G Stephenson.... 2 12 
O C Grinnell. 1 11 
L C Hopkins. 2 9 
C A Lockwood.1 13 
J H Ernst. 2 13 
Trophy, 15 targets: 
O C Grinnell. 1 15 
A E Hendrickson.... 2 14 
F B Stephenson. 0 12 
C A Lockwood. 1 12 
W C Damron. 1 11 
G G Stephenson.2 10 
Trophy, 15 targets: 
F Stephenson . 0 15 
G Stephenson, Jr.... 2 15 
H Brigham . 0 14 
W Damron . 1 11 
Trophy, 15 targets: 
H Brigham . 0 13 
F Stephenson ....... 0 13 
G Stephenson, Jr.... 2 13 
L Hopkins . 2 12 
O Grinnell, Jr.1 13 
W Damron . 1 15 
A Hendrickson .... 2 14 
Scratch shoot, 15 targets: 
F B Stephenson .14 
O C Grinnell, Jr.12 
E Lott .11 
Tropbv, 25 targets: 
H. T. 
H M Brigham .0 21 
F B Stephenson.0 22 
G Stephenson, Jr.... 3 22 
L C Hopkins. 3 15 
O C Grinnell. Jr.2 22 
W C Damron. 2 24 
A E Hendrickson... 4 20 
Shoot-off, same conditions: 
C A Lockwood.3 20 
J H Ernst. 4 20 
February cup, 25 targets: 
A 
E 
Hendrickson... 
4 
25 
O 
C 
Grinnell, Tr... 
2 
25 
C 
A 
Lockwood. 
3 
23 
S 
P 
Hopkins. 
4 
23 
F 
B 
Stephenson.... 
0 
21 
Trophy, 15 targets: 
IV 
C 
Damron. 
1 
13 
H 
Werlemann . 
4 
12 
O 
C 
Grinnell, Tr. 
1 
12 
II 
M 
Brigham. 
0 
9 
A 
E 
Hendrickson.... 
2 
11 
Team race, 25 targets: 
IT Vanderveer... 
4 20 
A Hendrickson.. 
4 25- 
-45 
F Stephenson.... 
0 24 
O C Grinnell.... 
2 19- 
-43 
Trophy, 15 targets: 
IT M Brigham... 
.... 0 
13 
O C Grinnell.... 
.... 1 
10 
(j G Stephenson, 
Jr. 1 
11 
F B Stephenson 
.... 0 
14 
E H Lott. 
.... 1 
11 
L C Hopkins.... 
.... 2 
14 
Match, 50 targets: 
Moonlight Squad. 
Damron . 
...42 
F Stephenson ... 
Lockwood . 
...35 
Hendrickson .... 
...33- 
-155 
H. T. 
A E Hendrickson.... 2 11 
W C Damron. 1 10 
S P Hopkins. 2 10 
N Hubbard . 4 11 
E Lott . 1 9 
D C Bennett. 1 8 
J H Ernst . 2 10 
N Hubbard . 4 10 
D C Bennett. 1 7 
H B Vanderveer.... 2 5 
L C Hopkins. 2 9 
S Hopkins . 2 11 
J Henry . 2 10 
A Hendrickson .2 14 
C Lockwood . 1 14 
S Hopkins . 2 13 
J Ernst . 2 13 
N Hubbard .4 12 
E Lott . 1 9 
D Bennett . 1 14 
H Vanderveer ..2 11 
A E Hendrickson.11 
W C Damron .10 
H. T. 
C A Lockwood.3 25 
J H Ernst. 4 25 
N Hubbard . 7 21 
E Lott . 2 22 
D C Bennett. 2 21 
H B Vanderveer.4 20 
C A Lockwood .3 21 
J H Ernst .....4 22 
G Stephenson, Jr.... 3 19 
J IT Ernst. 4 19 
N Hubbard . 7 19 
D C Bennett. 2 17 
J H Ernst. 2 11 
C A Lockwood.1 10 
N Hubbard, Jr. 4 10 
D C Bennett. 1 9 
L C Hopkins.. 2 8 
W C Damron. 2 23 
C Lockwood__ 2 21—44 
S P Hopkins.... 4 21 
G Stephenson,Jr. 3 21—42 
W C Damron.1 15 
A E Hendrickson.. .2 12 
C A Lockwood.1 14 
J H Ernst. 2 13 
N Hubbard . 4 11 
LI C Werlemann.4 13 
Sunshine Squad. 
Brigham .43 
Lott .5.40 
G Stephenson .40 
Grinnell .42—165 
Freehold Shooting Club. 
Freehold, N. J., Feb. 16.—The regular weekly shoot 
of the Freehold Shooting Club had ten contestants, 
whose performances were as follows: 
Events: 
12 3 4 
5 
6 
7 8 9 
10 
Shot 
Targets: 
10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 
at. 
Brk. 
Muldoon .... 
.... 8 8 10 10 
9 10 10 10 9 
8 
100 
92 
Walker . 
.... 9 8 9 10 
8 
5 
8 
70 
57 
Clavton . 
....10 9 8 S 
8 
9 
7 10 .. 
so 
69 
Dudley . 
.... 798.. 
7 
9 
6 6 9 
so 
61 
Barkalow 
.... 9778 
5 
5 
7 10 .. 
80 
58 
Matthews ... 
.... 7 6 .. .. 
20 
13 
Conine . 
.... 5 10 6 .. 
30 
21 
Ker . 
.... 8 . 
6 
20 
14 
Smock . 
. 8 7 6 
6 
6 
s 
60 
41 
Heyers . 
6 
30 
17 
