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to keep himself as well informed as the business men we are daily 
brought in contact with. 
If farmers do not succeed in this great enterprise, I shall be 
forced to believe it is because they are not sufficiently educated 
up to the necessity of the times, to make the right application of 
the opportunity now offered. 
I do believe that farmers, as well as any other class can co 
operate for mutual benefit and protection, and by so doing they 
will be abundantly rewarded for making the effort. 
Mr. Carswell wanted to know whether, if a brother of the 
grange was poor, the order furnished him the cash to buy with. 
Mr. Hazen said that the cash system was the true system, and 
that the granges, prepared by education, forethought and good 
management, would enable each of its individual members to take 
advantage of the reduction in price by cash payments. 
Mr. Carswell said he wanted a system by which the poor boy 
as well as the rich could come up and take care of himself, re¬ 
gardless of granges or other associations. Did not believe in 
secret societies, but wanted each and every man to learn to be 
economical, buy only what he could pay for, and only what would 
be of service and profit to him. He was opposed to the credit 
system, and if these secret or open societies awakened the farmers 
of the state to the importance of living within their means, they 
would accomplish great good. He hoped that such would be the 
result. He had been trying to teach this by precept and exam¬ 
ple all his life. 
Mr. Tubbs said that there had been barriers between the 
manufacturers and the farmers in the purchase of machinery 
which the granges would be able to overcome. The agent of 
this order could now go into the market and buy largely, and for 
cash at wholesale rates, while the individual purchaser hereto¬ 
fore had not been able to get this great reduction. He believed 
that when the purchasing of all needed articles for the granges 
and clubs was reduced to a proper system, as it soon would be, 
that members of the orders would be able to buy at first cost of 
the manufacturers, with, of course, living profits added, and that 
