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Wisconsin State Agricultural Society. 
Dr. Hoyt: We have now the three financial papers before 
us. I have no doubt that there are gentlemen present who would 
like to make some remarks on those papers. I regret very much 
on this account that we have in the programme of the Academy of 
Sciences for this afternoon, two valuable and important papers, 
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which have been prepared, and which must be read this afternoon 
or not at all, and that accordingly, so far as members of the 
academy are concerned, the discussion will have to be brief. 
Discussions were limited to five-minute speeches. 
Mr. Qrledge: I do not propose to discuss this question. I do 
not think that any man in this room is fool enough to pretend to 
discuss this question, when he is limited to five minutes. The gen¬ 
tleman who has just finished reading a very able paper, has thought 
proper to throw out ideas, and has thought it his purpose to say 
that those ideas were the ideas that are being advocated by the 
greenback-party. If he can tell me where there is a greenback- 
party in this State, I would like to know where it is. I know 
where there is an organization that is trying to educate the peo¬ 
ple on this question, and such gentlemen as Mr. Leland can do 
good service for the whole country by dealing with us fairly and 
honestly and not using the articles that he has acquired by his 
education to cover up the honest sentiments of his soul and heart. 
When I see bankers laughing in their sleeves because they 
think he has laid down principles that cannot be answered, I 
feel that it is proper to say a word in self-defense I do not say 
this for any party. I say it for those who think as I do, that there 
is a way for us to get an honest money that shall be worth its 
equivalent in gold, without going to individual men for their credit, 
which is worth in prosperity one hundred cents on the dollar, and 
in adversity, not a penny. We are not after any moonshine schemes, 
You tell us about the substantiality of your gold, and your banks. 
God’s moon is substantial, but we can not get it. We want to get 
down to something that we can take hold of. Now, what is our 
position to-day. If you get down to the real hard-pan, we are ow¬ 
ing to-day, more than we can pay. We have nearly $3,003,000,000 
of national, and $2,000,000,000 of other debts. We have nearly 
$800,000,000 of currency in the country, and the question is, how 
we shall get along with that debt, with the least possible burden to 
the people who labor. For remember, gentlemen, you who are in 
