Aug. 8, 1908.] 
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Thompson Challenge Cup. 
Another challenge trophy has been offered, 
and this time it is for yachts of class Q, 22- 
footcrs. The cup has been given to the Atlantic 
Y. C. by Frederic Thompson, owner of the 
schooner Shamrock, the winner of the Lipton 
cup recently. It is to be sailed for each year 
on Gravesend Bay in a series of three races. 
Points are to be scored by the usual system, and 
the winner will have his name engraved on the 
trophy and receive a souvenir prize. The 
yachtsman who first wins three of these series 
will take the prize. The cup is said to have 
cost $2,500, and it is a very large piece of silver. 
The trophy is a two-handled cup with cover, 
surmounted by a beautifully modeled figure of 
Victory holding Neptune’s trident in one hand 
and a laurel wreath in the other. Beneath this 
figure are two enameled pennants, the Atlantic 
Y. C. and Mr. Thompson’s private signal. 
Around the top of the cup is the title, ‘‘The 
Thompson Cup for New York Bay.” The 
handles are dolphins. The decorations are sea¬ 
weed, shells and four heads of dolphins around 
the base. On the front of the cup is shown, by 
etching, a group of yachts under full sail. Be¬ 
low this scene is the seal of the Atlantic Y. C. 
The reverse side of the cup is left plain for the 
inscriptions. The cup rests on a handsome 
green marble base and it measures 32m., in¬ 
cluding the base. 
The deed of trust is as follows: 
Whereas, Mr. Frederic Thompson, of New York city, 
appreciating the excellent opportunities for racing 
medium-sized sailing yachts on Lower New York Bay, 
has presented to the Atlantic Yacht Club, a corpora¬ 
tion under the laws of the State of New York, a silver 
cup, delivered herewith to the said club. 
Now, therefore, it is hereby declared and agreed by and 
between the parties hereto, that the said cup is to be 
held and transferred by said Atlantic Yacht Club upon 
the following trusts and conditions: 
1. This cup shall be known as the Thompson cup for 
New York Bay. 
2. It shall become the property of the yacht owner in 
the 22-foot class (Class Q), under the requirements of 
rating measurement of the Atlantic Yacht Club, who 
shall first win the greatest number of points in each 
of three series of races in accordance with the racing 
rules and system of awarding points of the Atlantic 
Yacht Club. 
3. Each series shall consist of three races (exclusive 
of any race necessary to decide a tie) and shall be sailed 
over courses laid tut in Lower New York Bay, of not 
less than nine and one-half (9*4) nor more than fifteen 
(15) miles in length, and on three successive days (Sun¬ 
days omitted) when possible, with the starting line in 
Gravesend Bay, off the club station at Sea Gate. A 
race postponed tor lack of wind or other sufficient 
reason shall be re-sailed and considered as the same 
race. 
4. All races shall be under the direction of the Re¬ 
gatta Committee of the Atlantic Yacht Club, and but 
one series shall be sailed in any one year, which must 
be during the yachting season of said club. 
5. No yacht may compete until satisfactory certificate 
of measurement from the measurer of the Atlantic 
Yacht Club or certificate verified to by him, shall have 
been filed with the Regatta Committee. 
6 . The start of each race shall be made between the 
hours of 11 o’clock A. M. and 3 o’clock P. M. 
7. A yacht to be eligible to compete must be the 
bona fide and individual property of a person who is a 
member in good standing of some recognized yacht 
club, or of the members of one immediate family, all of 
whom are members of a yacht club as above. 
Entries of yachts must be in the hands of the Regatta 
Committee no later than the third day before the start 
of the first race of any series. 
9. No yacht entered and intending to compete shall 
be hauled out or laid on shore within twenty-four hours 
preceding the first race or during the continuance of the 
series, excepting in case of accident or for necessary 
repairs, in which case no cleaning, painting, polishing 
or other work than what is necessary to make repairs 
shall be done. Any yacht so entered which shall have 
been hauled out or laid on shore must he launched before 
11 o’clock A. M. of the day preceding the first race. In 
case of such accidents as breaking down, etc., com¬ 
mittee shall have power to waive preceding clause. 
10. The said Atlantic Yacht Club shall deliver thi^ 
cup to the yacht onwer first winning three series as 
above (each series to be won by the same yacht, but 
not necessarily the three series), on presentation of 
satisfactory evidence of winning such series, and with 
the cup the said yacht owner shall be given a copy 
of this deed and such delivery shall vest in him a clear 
and complete title to said cup, for which he shall give 
satisfactory receipt. 
11. Pending final disposition of this cup by the Atlantic 
Yacht Club, in the manner herein provided, the name 
of each yacht winning a series, together with the name 
of her owner, and the year, shall be engraved on the 
cup, and the owner winning such series shall be awarded 
a suitable prize by the Atlantic Yacht Club. 
12. Should the 22-foot clase cease to exist, or to 
exist in number insufficient to warrant their sailing for 
this cup, or should the 27-foot class (Class P) or the 
18-foot class (Class R) grow to be more important as a 
racing class, the Atlantic Yacht Club, by and with the 
consent of a majority of the owners of yachts who raced 
for the cup during the previous series, and exercising 
an authority hereby conferred for the purpose of deal¬ 
ing with such a contingency, may designate either of the 
classes hereinbefore referred to as the class to compete 
for that year in such manner as shall appear to them 
best adapted to carry out the wishes of the donor of 
the cup and at the same time to conserve whatever 
interests any yacht owner may have secured in the cup 
under the terms of this deed. 
13. This instrument is to be construed liberally. But 
the Regatta Committee shall have full power to deal with 
any attempts to evade the full spirit of 'both this said 
instrument and of the racing rules, including rules of 
.measurement, in the best interests of yachting and 
yacht racing on New York Bay. 
14. The said Atlantic Yacht Club shall be liable fer 
its own willful default only. 
The first series for this cup will be sailed on 
Sept. 2, 3 and 4, during race week of the Atlantic 
Y. C., under special conditions. The yachts 
eligible for this race are Soya, Spider, Joy, 
Capsicum, Chaperone, Princess and the Eastern 
boats, Eleanor, Achilles and Dorothy Q. The 
Eastern owners have been anxious to learn the 
conditions, and it is quite possible that they will 
come around the cape. 
Atlantic Y. C. Regatta. 
The racing on Gravesend Bay this season has 
been very good indeed. It is a singular fact 
that there is nearly always a good racing breeze 
on the lower bay, while on the Sound the racing 
season has been marred by light winds and calms. 
At times the wind is too strong on the lower 
bay, and just once a year there is a postpone¬ 
ment because of too much wind, while on the 
Sound postponements or shortening of courses 
are frequent because of lack of wind. Those 
yachtsmen who are looking for good sport would 
do well to study the lower bay conditions. Two 
weeks ago the New York C. C. had to postpone 
its race because the wind was too strong, and 
on Aug. 1, in the regatta of the Atlantic Y. C.. 
the wind was so strong that there were several 
accidents. Some call these accidents hard luck, 
but having one’s yacht properly rigged to stand 
all sorts of weather is part of the game. A 
yachtsman may have his standing gear so light 
that it will stand in very light weather and he 
may win a race or two, but when it blows a 
little more than usual it will carry away, and 
the yachtsman who has things staunch will win 
under conditions-that will give him an immense 
amount of satisfaction. 
In this regatta the yawls Memory and Sakana 
parted halliards and each finished under jib and 
jigger. The 27-footer Sue started out with 
whole sail and had to retire early in the race, 
while Crescent, which had put in two reefs, 
sqiled a good race and won. Adyta blew out a 
jib and withdrew, and Miana ran aground on 
the West Bank and w r as held there for some 
hours. Chico lost her rudder and Cherub and 
Queen found the weather too much for them 
and gave up. Bobs fouled the Fort Hamilton 
mark and was disqualified. 
The wind was north by east and the yachts 
went around the usual courses, starting off Sea 
Gate at 3 o’clock. The yawl class has grown 
down the bay and three raced for the first time. 
These were Albicore, recently purchased by W. 
M. Campbell; Sakana, owned by the Haviland 
brothers, and Memory, owned by the Raborg 
brothers. Sakana won the race, although she 
was the last to finish. Crescent, owned by J. B. 
O’Donohue won in the 27ft. class. In the 22ft. 
class W. A. Barstow’s Soya, a most consistent 
performer, defeated Spider and Joy. Charles 
M. Camp won again with the M. and F, beating 
Gunda. 
Since the last regatta the Gravesend Bay As¬ 
sociation has agreed to divide the dory class. 
These boats are built under rules and restric¬ 
tions that are supposed to prevent a racing 
machine being turned out. Early in the season 
some questions were raised as to the eligibility 
of some of the new boats. These questions were 
referred to the special committee of dories and 
it was decided to allow the boats in the class, 
but the rides were changed to prevent any more 
of that type being built. The racing has been 
going on for several weeks and Slow Poke, 
owned by Inslee & Stringer, has won a large 
percentage of the races. These victories became 
monotonous and the owners of the other boats 
asked the association to form a new class for 
their craft and put Slow Poke and her sister 
boat, Merry Widow, in a class by themselves. 
It was a hard matter to settle. The owners of 
about a dozen of the dories were determined not 
to race against the two mentioned, and rather 
than have the racing on the lower bay hurt, the 
association after a heated debate agreed to form 
a class called Gravesend Bay knockabouts. Slow 
Poke and Merry Widow will sail together in the 
so called dory class and the others will race in 
the knockabout class. Nancy won the new class 
race and Merry Widow won in the dory class. 
The elapsed times are as follows: 
Yawl Class—Start, 3:00—Course, 11 *4 Miles. 
Albacore .2 21 55 Sakana .2 59 00 
Memory .2 54 30 
Corrected times—Albacore, 2.21.55; Sakana, 2.48.47; 
Memory, 2.52 36. 
Sloops, Class P—Start, 3:00—Course, 12 Miles. 
Crescent .2 37 47 Sue .D. N. F. 
Sloops, 
Class O—Start, 
3:05—Course, 
12 Miles. 
Soya . 
.2 20 48 
Joy . 
.2 34 58 
Spider . 
.2 23 00 
Handicap Class, Second Division—Start, 3:10—Course 12 
Miles. 
La Cubana 
.2 50 04 
Miana . 
Adyta . 
.D. N. F. 
Corrected 
time—La Cubana, 2.43.16. 
Sloops, 
Class S—Start, 
3:15—Course, 
8 Miles. 
M and F .. 
.1 40 50 
Gunda . 
.1 45 02 
Gravesend Dories—Start, 
, 3:20—Course, 
8 Miles. 
Merry Widow .1 57 00 
Slow Poke 
.1 58 35 
Gravesend 
Knockabouts—Start, 3:20—Course, 8 Miles. 
Nancy . 
.1 53 50 
()ueen . 
.D. N. F. 
Dot . 
.2 08 48 
Cherub . 
.D. N. F. 
Anna . 
.?• 15 00 
Chico . 
Token . 
.2 30 20 
Bobs . 
New York 
Canoe Club Dinghies—Start, 1 
1.25—Course, 4 
Miles. 
Virgo . 
. 106 55 
Taurus .... 
.1 13 50 
Meteor .... 
.1 11 00 
Seneca Wins Manhasset Cup. 
The sloop Seneca, owned by Addison G. 
Hanan and representing the Indian Harbor Y. 
C., has won the Manhasset Bay challenge cup. 
This trophy was offered some years ago for the 
old 30ft. class, and it was won by the American 
Y. C. When the rules of measurement and 
classification were changed the American club 
maintained that the cup should be raced for by 
sloops of the 33ft. class, while the Manhasset 
Bay Club insisted that the logical class to suc¬ 
ceed the old 30-footers was the present 27ft. 
class, and it was pointed out then that the 
waterline length of the 27ft. yacht and the old 
30-footer, and the sail area of the two classes 
were almost the same. Their claim did not pre¬ 
vail, and for that reason there has not been a 
race for some years. This year each side made 
concessions with the result that Seneca, a 27- 
footer, challenged, and it was agreed that 
Mimosa III., owned by Stuyvesant Wainwright, 
the defender of the cup, should allow half full 
time to boats rating 27ft. The Manhasset Bay 
Club entered Alera, owned by A. H. and J. W. 
Alker. 
The officials selected were George Cormack, 
W. Butler Duncan, Jr., and Walter C. Kerr. 
There were to have been three races, two over 
windward or leew r ard courses, and one a tri¬ 
angular course; but only two were necessary, 
Seneca winning both very easily. 
The first race was sailed on Tuesday, July 28. 
and the course was windward and return, each 
leg being four miles sailed twice over, or 16 
miles in all. Mimosa III. allowed the other two 
yachts 3m. 13s. There was an easterly wdnd of 
about 8 miles strength at the start, and the line 
was made off Captain’s Island. Seneca and 
Mimosa III. crossed the line on the starboard 
tack and met Alera on the port tack. Both 
gave way. In the windward work Seneca sailed 
very fast, and soon had a commanding lead, 
with Mimosa III. in second place. On the sec¬ 
ond round the wind hauled to S. by E., so that 
a short hitch was all that was necessary to fetch 
the weather mark. The last leg was a broad 
reach. The times were: 
Seneca . 
Mimosa ITT. 
Alera . 
Elapsed. Corrected 
2 46 45 2 43 21 
2 54 39 2 54 39 
2 53 22 2 50 09 
The next day the three sailed twice around a 
