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FOREST AND STREAM 
[Nov. 21, 1908. 
S. S. White Gun Club. 
Holmesburg Junction, Pa., Nov. 14.—The Nelson 
trophy contest was called off on account of darkness 
supervening. 
William Wolson scored a straight 25 in the club event 
and won. 
Cantrell won the challenge cup event with 24. 
The Hunter handicap event was of special interest, as 
Lilly and Robinson each had a win. The latter won. 
Scores: 
Club event, 25 targets: 
24 
. J9 
Firth . 
22 
White .“. 
. 19 
Patrick . 
21 
Griffith . 
. 19 
Lilly . 
21 
George . 
. 18 
Harper . 
21 
Tansey . 
F Mathews .... 
20 
Kendall . 
. 18 
German . 
23 
Hinkson . 
. 15 
Newcomb . 
23 
I Wolson . 
. 15 
Welles . 
25 
Heite . 
. 15 
21 
. 20 
W Wolson . 
25 
Ford . 
. 22 
Robinson . 
23 
Fontaine . 
. 20 
Wills . 
22 
Scroth . 
. 18 
Class challenge 
cup, 25 
targets, won by Cantrell: 
Griffith . 
21 
White . 
. 18 
Tansey . 
15 
George . 
. 16 
Cantrell . 
24 
Heite . 
. 14 
Firth . 
20 
. 11 
Patrick . 
17 
Harper . 
. 23 
Lilly . 
21 
. 25 
N ewcomb . 
23 
Overbaugh . 
. 17 
13 
Fontaine .. 
. 17 
Severn . 
22 
German . 
. 24 
Ford . 
20 
Welles . 
. 23 
W Wolson . 
23 
F Mathews .. 
. 23 
Hunter handicap prize 
event, 25 targets: 
FI. 
B. 
T. 
H. B. T. 
Griffith . 
3 
21 
24 
Harper . 
4 22 26 
George . 
8 
17 
25 
Fontaine . 
8 18 26 
White . 
4 
20 
24 
Newcomb . 
0 25 25 
Overbaugh . 
0 
20 
20 
Severn . 
3 21 24 
Patrick . 
4 
14 
18 
W Wolson . 
4 22 26 
Firth . 
7 
14 
21 
Robinson . 
8 22 30 
Cantrell . 
1 
24 
25 
Ford . 
3 20 23 
Hinkson . 
11 
15 
26 
George . 
4 11 15 
Lilly . 
4 
25 
29 
The professionals present were Welles, Overbaugh, Ger. 
man and Mathews. 
Nov. 14.—Scores ran low as a rule. The weather -con¬ 
ditions were unfavorable. J. Kouwenhoven and Van K. 
are brothers of the expert George Kouwenhoven, who 
frequently shoots under the name of Kelly. Scores: 
Events: 1 2 3 4 5 6 
Targets: 25 25 25 25 25 25 
C Martin . 23 21 21 21 20 18 
Dreyer . 12 20 22 .. 19 15 
Morgan . 19.18 18 
J Kouwenhoven . 15 14 18 18 18 .. 
Morgan . 24 10 16 .. .. 
Bergen . 14 18 .. 17 .. 
Magnus . 18 15 12 16 
C F Tyler. 7 10 12 .. 
Van K. 17 14 15 .. 
Hawkins . 5 .. 9 
Ryder . 17 19 16 
G A T. 15 18 20 
Voorhees . 20 19 17 
Griffith . 12 16 11 
Shevlin .'. 14 14 
Potter . 11 
Magnus . 12 
Remsen . 21 
Griffith . .. .. 11 
Voorhees . 16 
Independent Gun Club. 
Holmesburg Junction, Pa., Nov. 14.—The weather 
conditions were unfavorable. On account of rain and 
darkness the club handicap shoot for the trophy was at 
75 targets instead of 100. Frank Cantrell broke 72 out 
of 75 and won, his allowance of 6 giving him a winning 
lead. Scores: 
Cantrell .. 
Hdcp. 
Total. 
. 6 
24 
24 
24 
78 
F Mathews . 
. 6 
20 
25 
24 
75 
Newcomb . 
. 3 
23 
24 
24 
74 
Overbaugh .. 
19 
17 
20 
61 
George . 
18 
16 
17 
63 
White . 
. 9 
19 
18 
20 
66 
Griffith . 
. 6 
19 
21 
21 
67 
Tansey .. 
. 0 
18 
15 
Patrick . 
21 
17 
ii 
62 
Firth . 
. 9 
22 
20 
11 
62 
Hinkson . 
. 17 
15 
13 
16 
60 
Fontaine .. 
. 12 
20 
17 
18 
67 
German .•... 
. 0 
23 
24 
20 
67 
Severn . 
. 3 
21 
22 
21 
67 
Welles . 
25 
23 
21 
69 
W Mathews .. 
. 5 
20 
23 
24 
72 
Ford . 
. 6 
22 
20 
20 
68 
Willis . 
. 0 
22 
23 
Robinson . 
. 0 
19 
21 
•• 
•• 
International 
Match 
Qviei 
ry- 
New York, Nov. 13. —Editor Forest and Stream: If not 
troubling you too much, would you let me know if in an 
international match of pigeon or clay shooting occurring 
in London vicinity, England, some five, six or seven 
years ago, that an American team sent over to compete, 
found the conditions of the shooting, insisted upon the 
English using both barrels, confining our American team 
to the single barrel only? Or, was it that the custom 
there is to use both barfels, leaving it optional for any 
visiting team to exercise the same advantage? The 
question raised has been the unsportsmanlike behavior on 
said occasion of using two against single barrels. I am 
sure that this can be explained by an authority like 
your paper is. Myles R. Haffenden. 
[Such a match was shot in June, 1901. The conditions 
governing it were fully understood by all parties at 
interest before the American team sailed. In England, 
the general trapshooting rules allow the use of both 
barrels, 18yds. rise. In America, the general rule is the 
use of one barrel, 16yds. rise. The match was promoted 
by Mr. Paul North, up to the point of bringing the two 
parties together. There was nothing unsportsmanlike in 
it, as the superiority of the Americans in the use of one 
barrel against one barrel was conceded from the outset. 
The purse was $5,000, $2,500 a side. It was a trial in the 
main of American vs. English methods. While the 
Americans had greater skill, they also outgunned their 
opponents. There were three matches shot, on June 11, 
12 and 13 respectively. There were ten men on a team, 
100 targets per man. The scores were: First day, Amer¬ 
ican team, 866 ; English team, 801. Second day, American 
team, 877; English team, 794. Third day, American team, 
843; English team, 749. The guns used were 12-gauge, 
but there were no lestrictions as to length of shell, 
weight of gun or load of powder. Not over H/ioz. of 
shot was allowed. The use of both barrels was a dis¬ 
tinct advantage to the English team, as on the first day 
they scored 172 second-barrel breaks. But such con¬ 
cession was of no particular advantage against the Ameri¬ 
can team, in a competitive sense, as the American team 
had members who could come near to scoring all the 
targets with one barrel.] 
New York Athletic Club. 
Travers Island, N. Y., Nov. 14. — The mercury-foot gun¬ 
ners had a pleasant surprise to-day in the visit of the 
Port Washington Club. To make things still more in¬ 
teresting an impromptu team shoot was arranged, which 
resulted in a win for the home gunners by 42 targets, 
The match was started late, and the light was poor, and 
as a light snow was falling, the scores suffered. 
Four club events were run off, Scott winning a leg on 
the November cup, event 2. Crowe won a leg On the 
Sauer gun, event 3, and Elias was a leg on the Stoll 
trophy, event 4—all with full scores. 
Events: 12 3 4 
Hodgman . 24 0 22 0 22 0 22 
Pelham . 21 0 24 0 21 0 22 
Elias . 22 2 24 2 23 2 25 
Scott . 21 1 25 0 20 0 23 
Crowe . 14 2 23 2 25 1 21 
Grinnell . 22 1 22 1 24 1 21 
*Bostwick . 22 0 23 0 23 0 19 
Kuchler . 21 1 19 1 22 1 22 
Robinson . 5 17 5 20 
*Carraher . 0 20 0 15 
*Bradley . 0 17 0 18 
*Grinnell . 0 17 0 19 
^Baxter . 0 20 0 15 
*Duse . 0 15 0 19 
*W Hyde . 0 21 0 19 
* Walsh . 0 19 0 20 
De Wolf . 1 24 1 18 
*E Hyde . 0 20 0 21 
Edey . 5 19 5 18 
*Guests. 
Team match, 50 targets per man: 
Port Washington Club. N. Y. A. C. 
Bradley . 19 21—40 Hodgman ... 22 21—43 
Smull . 20 17—37 Elias . 23 18—41 
W Hyde .... 19 14—33 De Wolf .... 23 17—40 
Baxter . 20 17—37 Grinned ....20 22—42 
C Hyde . 20 17—37 Kuchler .... 22 16-38 
Dues . 13 13—26 Crowe .21 18—39 
Walsh . 19 14—33—243 Scott . 22 20—42—285 
G. F. P. 
Indianapolis Gun Club. 
Indianapolis, lnd.—The shooters at the Indianapolis, 
Gun Club on Saturday afternoon, Nov. 14, went up 
against a full-fledged winter’s snow blizzard, and the 
severe weather conditions had a telling effect on the at¬ 
tendance rod for the day, the occasion of the club’s 
regular weekly shoot. The participants found a greater 
measure of enjoyment telling of their varied experiences 
during the week, hunting quail, while gathered about the 
warm stove in the club house, than they did in trying to 
outshoot their rivals at the firing line. 
Parry won the day’s event of the English Hotel cup 
disposal contest, shooting from the handicap distance of 
18yds. This is the first time that any of the contestants 
have succeeded in winning an event in this contest, which 
has been running for the past six weeks, while shooting 
from the handicap mark. Parry now has two events of 
the indeterminate series to his credit, and if he gets an¬ 
other before any of the others get three, the prize is his. 
He still has four handicap men to reckon with and a 
host of formidable opponents who have the advantage of 
two yards closer in. The scores last Saturday, out of 
50 targets, were: Parry (18) 46, Michaelis (18) 45, Dixon 
45, Denny 44, Moller 44, Hymer 42, Britton (18) 41, 
Neighbors 41, Farrell 41, Lewis 37. 
A tabulation of the scores that were made in practice 
shooting, 16yds. rise, follows: 
Targets: 
20 20 20 20 20 
Per 
Denny . 
. 19 
19 
40 
38 
95.0 
Parry . 
. 18 
17 
18 
18 
17 
100 
88 
88.0 
Britton . 
. 18 
17 
40 
35 
87.5 
Michaelis . 
. 17 
17 
40 
34 
85.0 
Farrell . 
. 17 
16 
40 
33 
82.6 
Moller . 
. 16 
15 
16 
18 
14 
100 
79 
79.0 
Dixon . 
. 16 
16 
17 
17 
12 
100 
78 
78.0 
Hymer . 
. 16 
15 
15 
13 
17 
100 
76 
76.0 
Neighbors . 
.13 
13 
17 
60 
43 
71.67 
Lewis . 
. 12 
13 
13 
. . 
, , 
60 
38 
63.33 
Harry 
W. Denny, 
Sec’y. 
Garfield Gun Club. 
Chicago, Ill., Nov. 14.—The following scores were 
made at the finals of the Garfield Gun Club on above 
date, being participated in only by those who had 
qualified: 
Events: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 
Targets: 10 10 15 15 25 15 25 
W Einfeldt . 6 7 14 12 23 13 21 
Herr . 6 .. 6 12 20 .. .. 
George . 7 9 11 13 19 11 21 
Thomas . 6 8 14 15 19 10 
McDonald . 4 9 10 11. 
Eaton . 9 .. 11 8 . 
Goetter . 5 13 9 22 .. 14 
The Du Pont trophy final, No. 3, was won by Thomas, 
who first tied Einfeldt by 14 out of 16 birds, having an 
allowance over latter of one bird, and then beat him 
out in the shoot-off. The trophy was a beautiful pic¬ 
ture of a hunting dog and was donated by the Du Pont 
Powder Company. 
In the Ballistite trophy final, No. 2, George and Thomas 
tied at 15 birds, latter having a handicap of one bird. 
In ihe shoot-off, George won out with 11 birds to Thomas’ 
10. The trophy was a gold medal of unique design, 
donated by the Ballistite Powder Company. 
The Hunter Arms final, No. 5, resulted in a victory for 
Einfeldt, who shot from scratch and killed 23 out of 25 
birds. A very handsome vase was the prize in this 
event, the Hunter Arms Co. being the donors. 
Weather conditions were extremely unfavorable, a 
heavy snowstorm prevailing, and the snow was carried 
into the faces of the shooters by a strong wind. This 
closes the season for the club. 
'Rifle Range and Gallery . 
National Board for Promotion of 
Rifle Practice. 
Washington, D. C., Nov. 7. —An international rifle 
match of unusual interest will be shot this winter under 
the auspices of the Society of Miniature Rifle Clubs of 
Great Britain and the National Rifle Association of 
America. Each country will be represented by fifty men 
who will shoot ten shots each at twenty-five yards with 
a miniature rifle. The Americans will doubtless use 
the .22 caliber, as under the terms of the challenge the 
caliber of the rifles is limited to .23, which is compara¬ 
tively unknown in this country. The ten shots are to 
be fired on what is known as a double decimal target, 
which is really two targets joined together, each with 
an inch sighting bull and an inner half-inch bull count¬ 
ing ten. Ten concentric circles one quarter of an inch 
apart divide the count from one to ten. Five shots are 
to be fired on each target, the ten shots constituting the 
string allowed each competitor. One hundred targets 
will be sent to the National Rifle Association by the 
Society of Miniature Rifle Clubs, bearing the signature 
of the latter. The endorsement of the American Asso¬ 
ciation will be added and fifty of the targets returned to 
Great Britain. After the shooting the two sets of targets 
will be collected and exchanged to verify the scores 
which will be sent by cable. ‘ 
It is possible that this unique match will be a three- 
cornered affair, and that Australia will be drawn into 
it. The British Society has provided a handsome 
trophy to be held for one year by the winning country 
and each participant will receive a commemorative medal. 
Considerable preparation will be necessary for the match 
which will likely not take place until mid-winter. The 
National Rifle Association will shortly begin selecting 
the fifty shots to represent this country, and as it is 
desired to secure the best, it is probable that all the 
rifle clubs affiliated with the association will be invited 
to compete for the honor of supplying members of the 
team. After the “try-outs,” a team will be selected, 
and when the match is shot the men chosen will shoot 
their strings on the range belonging to their own clubs. 
If possible the dates will be arranged, so that the shoot¬ 
ing will be done in both countries, or all three, if 
Australia comes in, on the same date, though necessarily 
there will be some difference in actual time. 
The challenge provides that any rifle not exceeding 
.23 caliber may be used, with any sights not employing 
glass, any ammunition, and that any position may be 
assumed. The Americans will probably request that the 
latter provision be changed, and that the position be 
restricted to off-hand. It is believed the challengers 
will agree to this. 
While .22 caliber rifle practice both in and out of doors 
is growing in favor in this country with great rapidity, 
the sport. has not yet the popularity or the support it 
receives in England. Some of the greatest men and 
women of the latter country give it their hearty en¬ 
couragement and patronage. For example the Society 
of Miniature Rifle Clubs is under the patronage of H. 
R. H., the Duke of Connaught, while the two trustees 
are the Duke of Norfolk (the premier Duke of England) 
and the Duke of Westminster (the wealthiest peer of 
that country). Associated with them in the management 
of the. society are such distinguished personages as the 
Marchioness of Londonderry, the Earl of Albemarle, 
Vicount Colville, Lt.-Gen. Sir Ian Hamilton, Major- 
Gen. Sir Alfred Turner, Lt.-Gen. W. W. Brisco, Lt.- 
Gen. F. Lance, Maj.-Gen. Sir R. B. Love, Maj.-Gen. 
W. H. McKinnon, Maj.-Gen. A. C. Codrington and 
many others. The president of the organization is none 
other than the great Field Marshal Earl Roberts, who 
has been so active in promoting the cause of miniature 
rifle practice, as well as military and civman rifle prac¬ 
tice in general throughout the British Empire. The 
only organization in this country which approaches the 
support given the English Society is the National Rifle 
Association, which includes among its life members 
