More Rating Changes. 
It is sincerely hoped that the Atlantic Coast 
lonference having made more changes in the 
itles of measurement and time allowance, that 
hey now stop and allow things to settle down. 
A meeting of the conference was called for 
Thursday, Dec. 2, at the New York Y. C. house, 
tnd at that meeting the report of a committee 
ippointed at the last meeting to investigate the 
nethods of time allowance and the rating 
ormula and its factors, made its report. That 
eport was printed and sent to the delegates, 
■o that they were able to discuss it with a full 
cnowledge of what was proposed. This com- 
nittee favored the introduction of load waterline 
nto the formula, arguing that it is the actual 
sailing length of a normal yacht, and when 
>roperly safeguarded should be used in the rat- 
. ng formula. 
The new formula does not make any radical 
:hanges, and now that the matter has been 
settled, it is hoped that yachtsmen will be able 
o place orders for vessels that have been 
alked about for so long. Yachtsmen do not 
•are to build when changes in the rules are 
ontemplated, but the changes have now been 
nade. and it is yet more than six months to the 
)pening of the next yachting season, and there 
s time for building several yachts and large 
mes, too. 
The meeting was held too late to have a re- 
)ort in this week’s issue of Forest and Stream, 
out the report presented by the committee is 
published herewith. 
This committee was Clinton H. Crane, chair- 
nan; Louis M. Clark. R. W. Emmons 2d, H. 
le B. Parsons and Charles Lane Poor. The re¬ 
port submitted is as follows: 
William Butler Duncan. Jr., Chairman Atlantic 
Coast Conference, New York City: 
Dear Sir—At the meeting of the conference 
m Oct. 8, 1908, the following resolution was 
idonted: 
“That the conference adopt the proposed 
amendment (a) under heading of ‘time allow¬ 
ance tables’ reducing the allowance to 60 per 
:ent., and that the chair appoint a committee 
if five, of which Mr. Crane shall be one, to in¬ 
vestigate fully the various methods of time 
I illowance, the connection between its tables, 
he rating formula and the factors thereof and 
1 nake a full and detailed report at a future 
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ime. 
On the committee thus authorized the chair 
I ippointed as Mr. Crane’s associates Messrs. 
| kouis AT. Clark. R. W. Emmons 2d, H. de B. 
^arsons and Charles Lane Poor. The chair 
tlso referred to this committee a communica- 
ion dated Oct. 14, 1908, signed by nine dele¬ 
gates representing the New York and Larch- 
nont yacht clubs and the Yacht Racing Asso¬ 
ciation of Long Island Sound, which communi¬ 
cation reads as follows: 
“We as delegates at the recent conference 
egret the precipitate action in rejecting the 
woposed amendments to ‘Length.’ We think 
hat the load waterline, which is the actual sail- 
ng length of a normal type boat, should be 
ised, with proper safeguards, in the rating 
ormula. We trust that some way may be 
ound by which this matter can be taken up at 
ince and ample time given for its proper dis- 
; mssion and consideration.” 
The committee has held several meetings and 
las consulted, in person or by letter, many in- 
’ erested in the sport of yachting who have ex¬ 
pressed views that it is desirable to introduce 
L. W. L. into the rating formula. Following 
; ire the names of those who have been consulted 
, *nd who, although they may differ as to details. 
1 lave expressed decided opinions in favor of thus 
; ising the load water line: 
Designers—N. G. Herreshoff, William Gard¬ 
ner, Cary Smith and Ferris, Clinton H. Crane, 
George Owen, C. Sherman Hoyt. 
Delegates—R. W. Emmons, 2d, H. A. Morss, 
L. M. Clark, Henry Taggard, William Gardner, 
C. P. Tower, F. M. Hoyt, V. I. Cumnock, S. 
Wainwright, H. F. Parmelee, Clinton H. Crane, 
C. F. Adams, 2d, George Owen, William Hal- 
lock, W. C. Kerr, H. L. Maxwell, H. de B. 
Parsons, C. Lane Poor, C. Sherman Hoyt, J. 
D. Sparkman. 
The committee submits the following report 
upon the question specifically referred to it: 
1. The time allowance tables depend upon 
“length.” Thus so long as these or similar 
tables are used yachts must be rated primarily 
according to their length. Other factors which 
may appear in the rating formula are and must 
be subordinate to length. 
The general form of the tables in common 
use and as adopted by the conference cannot be 
improved upon without radical departures in 
the entire method of calculating rating measure¬ 
ment and time allowance. 
2. The committee believes that the rating 
formula now in use, i. e., 
L VSA 
Rating measurement=o.i82 7“ 
VD 
is the best yet devised; that this formula con¬ 
tains the logical elements of speed—namely, 
length, power and resistance. 
3. The committee believes that with proper 
and simple methods of measuring these three 
factors the formula will give satisfactory re¬ 
sults and should be retained. 
4. The committee finds that under the present 
method of measuring length the quarter beam 
length is used as the controlling factor, with load 
waterline as an element of restriction only. 
5. The committee feels that the load water¬ 
line with proper safeguards should be used in 
the rating formula, the quarter beam being re¬ 
tained as the element of restriction. 
6. The change to load waterline from quarter 
beam as the measure of length is not radical; 
it would retain the best characteristics of the 
rating formula, would simplify its application 
and restrict the present tendency toward hollow 
lines. 
7. The committee recommends the adoption 
of the following amendments to the racing rules 
in the place of those resolutions passed at the 
meeting of October 8, which are inconsistent 
with these recommendations. 
(a) Amend under heading “length,” page 230, 
so that the paragraph shall read: 
The L in the formula shall be the load water¬ 
line plus one-half the excess of the quarter beam 
over the percentage of the load waterline given 
by the formula. 
Percentage=ioo—V L.W.L. 
The load waterline shall be the distance in 
a straight line between the points furthest for¬ 
ward and furthest aft, where the hull, exclusive 
of the rudder post, is intersected by the sur¬ 
face of the water when the yacht is afloat in 
racing trim. 
The quarter beam shall be measured in a 
line parallel with the middle fore and aft 
vertical plane at a distance from it equal to one- 
quarter of the greatest beam (B) at the load 
waterline and one-tenth of this beam (B/10) 
above the load waterline, and in case there are 
any notches, jogs, curves or angles at or near 
the plane of measurement it shall be taken on 
a fair line bridging such notches, curves, jogs or 
angles. 
(b) Amend under heading “Limits and 
Penalties,” page 236, by striking out the first 
two paragraphs. 
(c) Amend rating formula, page 229, as 
amended on Oct. 8, 1908, by substituting 0.180 
for 0.182, so that formula shall be: 
L VSA 
Rating measurement=o.i8o -— 
VD 
(d) Amend “Classification,” page 238, by 
striking out everything under headings 
“Schooners” and “Sloops and Yawls” and sub¬ 
stituting therefore the following: 
SCHOONERS. 
1st Class I. all over 100ft. rating measurement. 
100 Foot Class A not over 100ft. and over 88ft. 
88 Foot Class B, not over 88ft. and over 76ft. 
76 Foot Class C. not over 76ft. and over 65ft. 
65 Foot Class D, not over 65ft. and over 55ft. 
55 Foot Class E, not over 55ft. and over 46ft. 
46 Foot Class DD, not over 46ft. 
SLOOPS AND YAWLS. 
1st Class F. all over 100ft. rating measurement. 
100 Foot Class G. not over 100ft. and over 88ft. 
88 Foot Class H, not over 88ft. and over 76ft. 
76 Foot Class J. not over 76ft. and over 65ft. 
65 Foot Class K, not over 65ft. and over 55ft. 
55 Foot Class L, not over 55ft. and over 46ft. 
46 Foot Class M, not over 46ft. and over 38ft. 
SLOOPS. 
38 Foot Class N, not over 38ft. and over 31ft. 
31 Foot Class P, not over 31ft. and over 25ft. 
25 Foot Class Q, not over 25ft. and over 20ft. 
20 Foot Class R, not over 20ft. and over 16ft. 
16 Foot Class S, not over 16ft. 
(e) Amend under heading “certificates of 
measurement,” by striking out the words “and 
the L” and inserting the words “the load water¬ 
line and” so that the sentence shall read: “The 
measurer, or his assistants, shall personally 
measure the soars, the load waterline and the 
quarter beam length.” 
(f) Amend under head “displacement” by 
adding the paragraph: “When the displace¬ 
ment of a yacht has been properly ascertained 
it need not be redetermined except in case of 
protest or upon notice that ballast has been 
taken on board or discharged.” 
International Dory Race. 
Negotiations are now being conducted with 
a view to arrange an international dory race for 
next season. George G. Fry last summer won 
the international prize of the Royal Y. C. of 
Holland, and the Hollanders are anxious to win 
it back again, or some other trophy that may 
be offered in its place. 
Some members of the New York Athletic 
Club have offered a cup, and the members of 
the three yacht clubs of Holland have been in¬ 
vited to send some boats here to compete for 
the prize. According to the conditions pro¬ 
posed, three boats can be sent from any one 
country, and it is said that the negotiations have 
been so far successful, and that at least one 
boat will come from Holland and possibly three. 
Boston yachtsmen who are interested in dory 
racing and other clubs that have taken an in¬ 
terest in racing these small boats have been in¬ 
vited to enter boats in the trial races, to be 
held to select the American defenders. 
Rochester Men to Dine. 
The annual dinner and election of officers of 
the Rochester Y. C. will be helij at Power 
Hotel, Rochester, on Thursday, Dec. 10. 
Thomas Fleming Day and Addison G. Hanan 
are to be the guests of honor. The Rochester 
men are still waiting to hear from the Royal 
Canadian Y. C. about the challenge for the 
Canada’s cup. 
