Dec. 12, 1908.] 
America, and this was a small one in this case. 
The after part of the vessel below which was a 
mere “skag,” was cut away, which enabled the 
builder to avoid the extravagant rake of post 
of the “puny,” and to secure a nearly perpen¬ 
dicular one This modification is now gen¬ 
erally adhered to. 
The fast ship, whether it was in the form of 
“pungy,” “clipper,” the “rover,” or the “long, 
low, black schooner,” was particularly an Amer¬ 
ican product; the methods in its production 
were born in the American shipbuilder at that 
time. No model in any country for form or 
seaworthiness has ever equalled that of fifty 
years ago—there have been some reproductions 
u> and imitations, that is all. 
Rochester Y. C. Replies. 
The committee of the Rochester Y. C. has 
replied to the challenge of the Royal Canadian 
Y. C. for a race for the Canada’s cup. It 
agrees to the conditions, except that it changes 
the date of the first race from Aug. 4 to Sept. 
4, and insists that Seneca is eligible to meet 
the challenger. 
The committee is Thomas B. Pritchard, 
Chairman; Frank Ocumpaugh, Charles Van 
Voorhis, Frank T. Christy, Clute E. Noxon 
and George V. Fleckenstein. Its communica¬ 
tion follows: 
“E. Porter, Esq., Secretary, Royal Canadian Y. 
C., Toronto, Ont.: 
“Dear Sir—We have considered the con¬ 
ditions proposed by the Royal Canadian Y. C. 
to govern the Canada’s cup race, and have made 
some changes in them, and inclose herewith 
these conditions with our alterations. In view 
of these changes, we believe that it is proper 
for us to state our reasons. 
“The only change of any importance is the 
striking out from your proposed conditions the 
clause headed ‘Ineligible Yachts’ and the inser¬ 
tion in the place of it the _ following clause: 
‘Eligible Yachts—Any yacht in Class “P” built 
. under the present rules of the Yacht Racing 
Union, as amended in October last, or any 
yacht in that class which heretofore has sailed 
on the Great Lakes, shall be eligible to sail 
in the race.’ 
“We are of the opinion that this class is not 
necessary to permit the Rochester Y. C., if it 
so desires, to sail in this race the yacht Seneca, 
because we believe that under the rules of the 
Y. R. U. now in force, that yacht is eligible. We 
have, however, inserted that clause for the ex- 
1 press purpose of avoiding any question as to 
the eligibility of the Seneca. In doing this, we 
have in mind the discussion which occurred at 
the last Canada’s cup race, which caused so 
much dissatisfaction and feeling and resulted 
in greatly lessening interest in the race. We do 
not want a recurrence of that unfortunate situ¬ 
ation. 
“Another reason for taking this-position is 
that our attention has been called to numerous 
newspaper articles and interviews by various 
members of the Royal Canadian Y. C., re- 
j specting the eligibility of the Seneca. While 
nearly all your newspaper men seem to think 
; that there is no question as to her eligibility, 
still we noticed an interview had with Com¬ 
modore Jarvis, in which he states that in his 
opinion the Seneca is not eligible. Under the 
rules of the Y. R. U., any yacht built on, or 
brought to the Great Lakes prior to Nov. 1, 
1908, is eligible to sail in any races held under 
such rules. We do not believe the members of 
the Royal Canadian Y. C. can^ seriously en¬ 
tertain the opinion that the Seneca is not 
eligible. We trust that these conditions, as 
changed by us. will be satisfactory to you, and 
that you will sign and return the same. If there 
is any question on the part of the Roval Can¬ 
adian Y. C., respecting the eligibility of the 
Seneca, we want it raised and determined now. 
If your club raises this question, we offer to re¬ 
fer the question of the eligibility of the Seneca 
to sail under the rules of the Y. R. U. to that 
body itself, the question, however, to be sub¬ 
mitted to the Y. R. U. within two weeks, and 
I their decision in the matter to be final. 
“Should you deem it a hardship, however, to 
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build a boat under the present rules as to scant¬ 
ling, and you desire it, we are willing, in spirit 
of fairness, to agree to eliminate the scantling 
restrictions entirely from this race. 
“Awaiting your reply, we are, 
“Rochester Y. C. 
“Clute E. Noxon, Seretary.” 
The feeling of the Canadians in this matter 
is summed up in this statement by one of the 
Royal Canadian Y. C. members: 
“After keeping the R. C. Y. C. on tenter¬ 
hooks for a couple of weeks, the Rochester 
Y. C. has replied to the proposed conditions 
for the Canada’s cup race. 
“They have fixed Saturday, Sept. 4, as the 
date for the first of the five races; and as for_ 
the R. C. Y. C.’s condition barring Seneca as 
defender, why, they just laugh at it. In fact, 
they laugh so hard that they put in a clause 
expressly qualifying Seneca. 
“The R. C. Y. C. doesn’t want to meet 
Seneca, because the Canadian boat will have to 
be built under rules which make her much 
heavier than the champion of 1907. As Seneca 
has been taken away to salt water, they say it 
isn’t fair to bring her back. 
“The Rochester people offer two propositions 
which ought to settle the thing, and yet may 
not. Thev say: 
“ ‘Let the Yacht Racing Union of the Great 
Lakes determine Seneca’s eligibility right away. 
“ ‘If you don’t think it’s fair to meet Seneca 
with a boat built under the new rules, build one 
under the same rules Seneca was built under.’ 
“It looks as if the Rochester people had R. 
C. Y. C. up the proverbial tree with regaru to 
the Canada’s cup challenge. The people to the 
south are willing to leave Seneca’s eligibility to 
a jury of the Y. R. U., which seems fair enough, 
does it not? 
“The R. C. Y. C., however, had no liking for 
this, and throwing out its chest says. ‘Oh, 
dear no, we wish to foster class racing and must 
race under the scantling rule.’ Or in other 
words, they exhibit an o’erweening desire to 
side step Seneca. 
“They say a boat under the old lines would 
not fit in anywhere. Rochester, however, points 
one that another boat such as Seneca would fit 
in and names Eleanor, Crusader, Aileen, which 
in all would make a class of five. It looks very 
much as if the R. C. Y. C. was hiding behind 
the scantling rule in order to avoid another 
brush with the Flerreshoff wonder.” 
Cup for Foreign Dories. 
The American Y. C. is trying to arrange an 
international race for dories. George Gardiner 
Fry, representing that club last season, went 
to Holland and captured the international prize 
racing against the best of the Dutch amateurs. 
The club here feels that it should do something 
to stimulate the sport, and that the best thing 
to do is to invite representatives of Holland 
clubs to visit here next summer and will offer 
prizes for races according to the number of 
yachtsmen who come here. The conditions 
will be similar to those that governed the races 
in which Mr. Fry took part, and if three dories 
are sent here, three dories will be selected to 
meet them. 
Commodore Wainwright, of the American Y. 
C., sent this cablegram to the Royal de Hoop 
Y. C., of Amsterdam, last week: 
“American Y. C. offers dory prize next sum¬ 
mer. De' Hoop, Koninklyke and Maas invited. 
Notify them. Particulars mailed.” 
It is not likely that an answer to this cable 
will be received until the details proposed are 
known on the other side. 
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