Aug. 14, 1909] 
FOREST AND STREAM 
271 
Small-Bore Guns. 
Brooklyn, N. Y., Aug. 7 .—Editor Forest and Stream: 
eing greatly interested in the discussion between 
Twelve-Gauge,” Mr. Hedderly, and others, as to the 
lative merits of the 12, as opposed to the 16 and 20 
'luges, r am moved to make a few remarks from my 
vn point of view. 
First, what do they mean when they say a ‘‘12-gauge”? 
have in mind one 12-gauge weighing 12%lbs., with 
11 choked 36in. barrels, shooting 7drs. of powder and 
,iz. of shot, which, in its owner’s hands, was wonder- 
Uy effective on the tough sea ducks of Long Island 
rund in the hardest kind of line shooting. I recall 
lother, weight 5%lbs., 26in. barrel, cylinder and half 
loke; load, 2V£drs. and 1 oz., which is the fond choice 
its owner for reed birds, snipe and quail shooting, 
etween these two there is a large range. 
But disregarding these eccentricities, or, in plain 
nglish, “freaks,” there is enough difference between 
e performances of the 6 ( 41 b.. cylinder bore, quail 
in, and the 81b. full choke, 32in. barrel trap gun to 
ve us reason to ask for something definite as a stand- 
d of comparison. 
Second—Whether the 12-bore exceeds or is inferior in 
docity to the smaller gauges. There seems to be no 
iubt of its larger killing circle. Now, the question is 
hich gun is the best on game? I freely confess myself 
shooting a veritable “duffer,” one of the great army 
duffers, self-confessed or self-deceived, who compose 
e majority of our shooting fraternity. 
What I want is the gun that will get the game. I 
sclaim the name of “game hog.” Half the legal limit 
Is my bag to satisfaction, and my heart with un- 
asoning joy; but I detest that disagreeable moment, 
hen, peering through the drifting smoke of both bar- 
1s, one sees the disgusting flirt of the tail, which whisks 
e bird safely out of range of the fruitless fusilade. I 
'efer a large, even pattern, that will drop the gams 
■atly with a few pellets, to a choked and restricted 
rcle that either misses the bird entirely or leaves a 
nattered bunch of blood and feathers to tell the tale 
a hit. Smaller charges and reduced killing circles 
!> not interest me, even with greater velocity. They 
ay be wonderfully effective and delightful to shoot for 
e expert, but I have long given up hope of attaining 
s standard. If the 12-bore will do my work in the 
ind and on the upland, why change to a smaller bore, 
hich demands more skill to get the same results? 
I anticipate the sarcastic advice to get an 8-bore or a 
underbus, and “brown” the flocks, and answer with- 
it shame that I do not shoot into flocks as a rule, 
it that I have used the 8-bore without fear or favor 
herever and whenever I saw fit. I love the big “can¬ 
in'’ that handles the large shot so effectively; but it 
useless outside the boat, blind or battery. Its great 
[eight and slowness of handling puts it entirely out of 
e question for upland shooting, even if it possessed 
her superior qualities in compensation, which I am of 
linion it does not. 
The 12-gauge of 7 to 81bs. weight, is the largest gun 
at the average man can comfortably and effectively 
oot, and therein lies the secret of its popularity. 
Now, another query: Granted that the small bores will 
indie the ordinary sizes of shot for small bird shooting, 
y up to. No. 6, as effectively as the 12-bore, excepting 
to killing; circle, what will they do with the larger 
res, say with twos or Bs? We are very impartial in 
ir demands on our trusty 12-bores. Some of us load 
ith “dust” for the tender reed bird, and some, well 
uth of Mason’s and Dixon’s line, slip in a charge of 
ickshot, three to a layer, for the reception of the Vir- 
nia deer, as he crashes through the cane brake before 
e deep-mouthed hounds. 
For the one gun for the rice marsh, the upland, the 
ind, the pass, and the runway, I still rest content in 
y trust in the 12-bore. Like “the old time religion, 
s good enough for me.” Hit-or-Miss. 
Riverside Gun Club. 
Rochester, N. Y., July .27.—On Tuesday, July 27, the 
iverside Gun Club, of this city, held the last series of 
oots for the trophy called the Prisco cup, donated to 
e club by Mr. Cummins, of Chicago. The weather 
as fine, and we were graced by the presence of Jack 
inning. The cup was won by Dr. J. L. Weller for the 
ird and last time. 
The club will give weekly shoots every Tuesday after¬ 
ion for the next two months. 
On Sept. 6 the Riverside Gun Club will hold their 
ird annual tournament. We expect to give one of the 
:st shoots ever held in Rochester. A large number of 
iluable prizes will be put up for the shooters in the 
erchar.dise event. We will have a prize for every 
ooter, and will have over sixty prizes any way. 
The scores for the Prisco cup, 50 clay birds, distance 
mdicap, follow: 
inning, 18 . 
elles, 18 
arrison, 18 . 
:hleyer, 17 . 
itterson, 16 
50 
Trott. 17 . 
. 43 
47 
Gilbert, 16 . 
. 38 
45 
Penart, 16 . 
. 37 
41 
Bengner, 16 . 
. 29 
40 
Stewart, 16 . 
. 34 
shoot 
for cup. 
Consolidated Gun Club. 
Paterson, N. J., Aug. 9.—The new Consolidated Gut. 
lub of Paterson and Passaic, which was fully described 
a previous issue of Forest and Stream, expects to 
■gin active operations on Labor Day, Sept. 6, and con- 
lue every Saturday afternoon and every holiday 
roughout the coming fall, winter and spring shooting 
ason. • It is the intention of this new shooting organi- 
tion to make the new club grounds the ideal shooting 
ounds in New Jersey. They are centrally located be- 
een Paterson and Passaic, and easy of access, being 
tuated at the rear of the Clifton race track. They can 
: reached by Main street trolley, which runs between 
iterson and Passaic, through to Newark, Jersey City, 
Hoboken. Visitors can reach us by the following steam 
railroads: Erie Main; Erie, Newark Branch; and D., L 
& W. Visitors by Erie main can get off at Passaic, 
Clifton, Lake View or Paterson, Newark Branch, South 
Paterson, D., L. & \V., Passaic, or Barclay street, Pater¬ 
son, thence by trolley from each of the above stations. 
Every courtesy will be extended to all visitors at all 
times. The roster of this club contains the names of. all 
the most prominent shooters of Paterson and Passaic— 
men of business affairs, whose whole pleasure is in 
meeting friends for an enjoyable day at the traps. There 
is a large and commodious club house, finest grounds in 
the State, clear sky background, with every accommo¬ 
dation. 
Targets will be thrown for one cent each. Ammunition 
of all the popular trap loads is always on hand at lowest 
city prices. JVh. Dutcher, Mgr. 
The Garfield Gun Club, 
Chicago, Aug. 7. —The shooting at the Garfield Gun 
Club this afternoon was somewhat delayed by a new 
trapper during the first one or two events, but toward 
the close everything moved along smoothly. 
Arnold, an old member of the club, put in an appear¬ 
ance, as did also the old regulars Eaton and Einfeldt. 
Notwithstanding he had had his gun disarranged, by the 
gun experts, Einfeldt showed class in his shooting and 
was high average for the day with 96 out of a possible 
100. The scores were as follows: 
Events: 
1 
2 
3 
4 
5 
6 
7 
Targets: 
25 
10 
15 
25 
25 
25 
25 
Thomas . 
IS 
19 
18 
15 
12 
Kuss . 
ii 
19 
23 
21 
Arnold . 
12 
Eaton . 
22 
lb 
Einfeldt . 
23 
24 
25 
24 
Herr . 
13 
17 
12 
15 
McDonald . 
19 
18 
20 
21 
George . 
19 
22 
23 
23 
Ellis . 
7 
ii 
16 
Kerns . 
4 
is 
14 
In Class A, Einfeldt won high in the club (event 4), 
Hunter Arms (event 5), and Du Pont (event 6) trophies, 
while Kuss won in the Ballistite (event 7). Scores: 
24, 25, 24 and 21. 
In Class B, Herr won the club, Hunter Arms, Du 
Pont and with scores of 17, 12 and 15 respectively. 
''Rifle 'Range and Gallery. 
Fixtures. 
Sept 4-12.—United States Revolver Association annual 
outdoor championship matches. John Taylor Hum¬ 
phrey, Sec’y-Treas., Box 218, New York. 
National Board for Promotion of 
Rifle Practice. 
Camp Perry, O., Aug. 8.—Everything is in readiness 
for a strenuous three weeks of shooting on this range, 
the largest in the United States, and destined to show 
the finest rifle shooting ever seen in this country within 
the next few weeks. To-morrow morning the matches of 
the Ohio National Guard will be started, continuing 
through Wednesday. On Thursday those matches of the 
Ohio State Rifle Association, which are open only to the 
Ohio National Guard, will begin, continuing until Fri¬ 
day evening. Saturday the joint matches of the Ohio 
and the Department of the Lakes Rifle Associations will 
open with the Hale cup match. Sunday will be a day 
of lest, but on Monday comes the Catrow cup match. 
Tuesday the Du Pont tyro match, with $400 prize money 
divided among the first forty-three competitors, will be 
shot. Wednesday, the 18th, will see the Herrick trophy 
match, and on Thursday the “Governor’s match.” 
Through this period there will be numerous other 
matches, so the range will be fully occupied at all times. 
One of those which is attracting attention because of its 
unusual character is the novelty skirmish match, in 
which competitors will be started with 50 rounds of 
ammunition and will skirmish from 600 to 200yds., making 
the usual stops at 600, 500, 400, 350, 300 and 200 yards. 
At each firing point the targets will be displayed at un¬ 
known intervals cf not less than 10 seconds or more than 
35 seconds. Each competitor can fire as many times as 
he pleases at each range, but the usual commands of 
commence and cease firing will not be given, the. appear¬ 
ance and disappearance of the targets governing the 
firing. 
Aug. 20 and 21 will be set aside for practice for the 
national matches, which begin on the following Monday 
and which are expected to be finished by Aug. 26. They 
include the national team match, the national individual 
match, and the national revolver match. On the follow¬ 
ing Friday, Aug. 27, the matches of the National Rifle 
Association will begin, to continue until the programme 
is concluded. 
During the coming week the contests will be confined 
principally to the Ohio National Guard, so the influx 
of outside talent is not expected, until next week. The 
range will be manned by the Ohio National Guard until 
the Regular Army takes hold on Aug. 19, after which 
Lieut.-Col. R. K. Evans, the officer designated by the 
War Department, will have charge until the end of the 
National Rifle Association matches. Under him will be 
approximately 100 Regular Army officers and 1,000 men 
to act as markers, scorers, statisticians, etc. The total 
attendance during these matches is expected to average 
1,000 riflemen, representing practically all the States and 
Territories. 
Washington, D. C., August.—Fram Camp Perry,' O., 
where the national rifle matches will be shot, a large 
number of the State and regular service teams will go to 
Sea Girt. N. J., to compete in the matches of the New 
York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania State Rifle Asso¬ 
ciations, which will he shot simultaneously from Sept. 3 
to 11 inclusive. Those who have visited the range are 
looking forward with pleasure to the ten days to be 
spent there, and those who will make their first pil¬ 
grimage have much in store for them. 1 he North 
Jersey shore is at its best the first days of September, 
and the advantageous location of the Sea Girt range, 
which is only six miles below Asbury Park, makes it 
easily accessible to all points along the coast to Atlantic 
Highlands. Twenty years, much money and unlimited 
patience and care have been expended on the range to 
make it the model that it is; and no comfort or pleas¬ 
ure is lacking for the rifle enthusiast. Gov. Fort will 
open his summer home for a time during the . matches, 
and there will be the usual number of distinguished 
visitors. The Association of American International 
Riflemen, which is limited to members,. alternates and 
officers of international teams, will hold its annual ban¬ 
quet during the matches, and there will be other social 
functions at the club house of the New. Jersey State 
Rifle Association, both of a formal, and informal char¬ 
acter. A historic match will be revived this year under 
the auspices of the International . Riflemen, who are 
the creme de la creme of the shooting world. ... 
It is the Nevada match which has not been shot lor 
fifteen years. In the early ’70s, some Nevada enthusiasts 
put up a trophy for long-range shooting .at 600, 900 
and 1,200 yards. It is composed, of Nevada s products, 
gold and silver, and cost $500, with a sentimental value 
far in excess. For some reason the match was abandoned 
in 1894 after having been regularly shot from lot4 to 
that date. Since then the old Springfield rifle has been 
abandoned, having been succeeded by the Krag and then 
by the New Springfield. Black powder has given way 
to smokeless, and so rapid have been the improvements 
in ammunition that the general efficiency of the 1909 
ammunition over that of 1908 is . estimated at not less 
than 10 per cent. Experts are tired of the 1000 yards 
range, w'here “centers” are too numerous to attract 
more than passing notice, and are looking forward with 
pleasure at trying Uncle Sam’s new rifles and ammuni¬ 
tion at 1,200 yards for the first time. The winner of 
the Nevada trophy will be required to give a bond ot 
$500 for its safety, and will receive a bronze medallion 
of it, to become his property. There will also be a 
number of cash prizes. . . 
Another interesting new match will be. the Maxim long- 
range match at 1,000 yards, in. which the Maxim 
“silencer” is permitted. Mr. Maxim has given $200 and 
a gold medal for this match, which will, be snot under 
the’ auspices of the Pennsylvania State Rifle Association. 
The money will be distributed in twenty-seven prizes, 
the last ten to go to tyroes. Another match of particu¬ 
lar interest is that originated by Hugo Neuberger, of 
New York, a Swiss gentleman, and naturally devoted to 
rifle shooting. The conditions provide that the com¬ 
petitor must drop out as soon as he misses the bullseye, 
the prize, a handsome bronze of William Tell with his 
boy, going to the competitor making the greatest num¬ 
ber of bullseyes. This match will be shot at 500yds. 
Riflemen will be interested, in knowing that the con¬ 
ditions at Sea Girt this year term as “tyros” those who 
have never won a first prize in a National or State as¬ 
sociation meeting. Heretpfore no one has been admitted 
tyro matches who ever won a first, second or third 
rize. 
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Los Angeles (Cal.) Revolver Club. 
Los Angeles, Cal., Aug. 2.—The regular monthly 
medal shoot for the pistol and Hoegee handicap revolver 
medals took place Aug. 1. , 
Will A. Wright, using his .38 revolver, scored 263, and 
his 9 points handicap landed him on top with 272, win¬ 
ning the trophy. , . , . 
In the pistol contest C. W. Linder won the medal 
with 263. Conditions were 30 shots per man, at 50yds. on 
the Standard American target. Following are the scores: 
Revolver handicap medal shoot: 
Will A Wright. 
W E Smith . 
A B Douglas. 
I C Douglas. 
H D Thaxter. 
Dr L M Packard. 
C W Linder. 
J E Holcomb. 
Pistol medal shoot: 
C W Linder'.. 
I C Douglas . 
A B Douglas. 
Dr L M Packard. 
J E Holcomb . 
TI D Thaxter. 
W E Smith. 
Score. 
Hdcp. 
Total. 
93 
85 
85- 
-263 
9 
272 
82 
84 
84- 
-250 
21 
271 
85 
90 
95- 
-270 
0 
270 
92 
S5 
83- 
-260 
9 
269 
80 
86 
92- 
-258 
9 
267 
86 
7S 
SI- 
-245 
18 
263 
76 
77 
85- 
-238 
24 
264 
70 
76 
82- 
-228 
21 
249 
SS 
92 
83—263 
87 
86 
86—259 
86 
79 
89—254 
83 
86 
85—254 
85 
S2 
86—253 
S3 
S3 
83—249 
81 
79 
82—242 
I. C. Douglas, Sec’y. 
Manhattan Rifle and Revolver Association. 
New York, Aug. 7.—At Armbruster’s Park to-day the 
following scores were made: _ „ „ 
Revolver, 50yds.: H. M. Olney, 75. 78, 76, i9; Dr. R. 
H. Sayre, 82. 79, 89, 87, 83; W. H. French, 91, 92, 88, 92, 
85; E Schnitzler, 84, S5, 82, 82, 90, 83, 79; J. E. Silhman, 
82, 89, 81, 80, 87, 93, 91, 93. 
Aug. 5.—At 2628 Broadway, scores were made as fol- 
lows: 
Revolver, 20yds.: F. W. Wurster, Jr., 87, 82, 81; Lieut. 
A. Wendt, 89, 81, 79; E. Schnitzler, 85;- Dr. C. Philips, 
83, 82, SO; Dr. W. G. Hudson, 89; C. W. Green, 81, 80; 
M. Hays, S8, 84, 82; G. Grenzer, 91, 90, 89, 87, 86; J. E. 
Silliman, 90, 85, 83. 
J. E. Silliman, Treas. 
