Sept, ii, 1909.] 
FOREST AND STREAM 
431 
South Tacoma Gun Club. 
Tacoma Aug. 29.—At Mountain View station to-day 
be special shoot of the South Tacoma Gun Club was 
idd. There were the best shots of California, Iowa and 
.everal other otates in the competition. Poston, of San 
4 rancisco, broke 117 targets out of a total of 120. Fred 
jiloert, of Spirit Lake, la., scored 116; Tom Barclay 
cored Jib, and Stacey, of the local club, scored 112. 
The programme consisted of ten events of 20 targets 
•acn, but o ,000 targets were carried to the Country Club 
»y the street railway company by mistake and refused 
o bring them back, thus spoiling part of the day’s 
pert. As a consequence, only six events of the 120 
hots could be run through. The scores: 
Targets: 20 20 20 20 20 20 Total. 
) W King. 19 16 19 14 16 18 102 
.ee BarlcKy . 16 19 15 20 20 20 110 
V A Robertson. 19 15 17 19 19 18 107 
K‘ ehl . 18 11 18 19 17 19 110 
Converse . 19 18 18 18 17 18 108 
Cooper . 16 20 19 18 17 17 109 
Dague . 17 17 19 17 18 IS 106 
» Pf, rr °' v , • • • ■ ..17 14 15 16 14 16 91 
' W Caldwell. IS 17 17 18 18 19 107 
C Jensen. 18 15 20 18 18 19 107 
! W . 14 18 17 17 15 20 101 
[ T Denham.18 17 19 16 19 .. 89 
Cady . 16 17 15 16 16 .. 80 
W Cooper. IS 16 19 19 18 16 105 
taififht . 17 16 17 15 19 16 100 
, G: bert . 19 19 20 20 19 19 116 
tar-'ha'l . 18 18 19 17 19 17 108 
ottheb .16 16 17 17 18 16 100 
Forbes . 17 17 18 20 19 16 107 
eld .17 19 19 18 is 19 110 
oston . 20 20 20 19 20 18 117 
■Nett . 17 20 19 17 18 20 110 
KeJIy . 18 20 19 20 19 20 115 
Ellis . 19 20 13 20 18 17 107 
.16 17 17 15 17 19 107 
Miler .17 19 18 17 17 19 107 
:a S e y •••. 18 17 20 20 18 19 112 
s Dahi . 18 17 17 17 17 15 101 
om Barclay . 18 19 20 18 17 19 111 
hompson .IS 18 20 14 15 16 101 
r Fulton .t. 19 18 20 17 16 18 108 
:0 « . 11 15 16 10 .. .. 52 
R Alderman . 18 17 17 15 18 15 100 
G Alderman . 18 14 20 20 20 18 129 
r 'g h4 . 16 13 15 19 19 17 96 
' am . er . 16 17 17 17 96 
mnmgton .. 20 12 10 17 17 88 
Cooper .16 IS. 34 
Manchester Gun Club. 
Manchester, la. The scores of the two days’ tour- 
ment. held Aug. 25-26, at this place, had entrants and 
lals as follows: 
>nson . 210 
eger . 
lep . 
tcheii ..;;; 216 
hafhauser . 
iramson . 
tter . 
mmer . 210 
sher .. 
iveland .’ 210 
itzsimmons . 
C Whitney. 210 
eo Maxwell . 210 
thel . 
mblin . 210 
wey . 
Own . 
zelwood . 
lith . 
yt.. 
Biglow . 
Professionals. 
First 
Day. 
Second 
Day. 
Shot at. 
Broke. 
Shot at. 
Broke. 
179 
180 
151 
163 
180 
160 
155 
180 
148 
147 
180 
133 
124 
180 
116 
176 
180 
159 
168 
180 
138 
169 
45 
24 
181 
180 
163 
158 
180 
137 
183 
180 
160 
152 
180 
124 
187 
180 
159 
168 
180 
164 
139 
180 
152 
162 
180 
151 
. 210 
153 
ISO 
132 
. 210 
162 
180 
160 
180 
151 
. . . 
ISO 
144 
45 
34 
F. 
M. Hamblin, Sec’y. 
Atlantic City Gun Club. 
itlantu: City, N. J„ Sept. 4.—Appended are scores 
de by members of the Atlantic Gun Club, Friday, 
?• £i, last. Powers led the bunch with a 95 per cent! 
■rage; Cook and Young each showed good form- 
nover came out as a “dark horse” and went 25 
tight; Cook and Powers led for the Dupont trophy 
h making 48 actual breaks. 
he first two strings constitute the Dupont trophy 
nt. Scores: 
1 2 3 4 5 Events: 1 2 3 4 5 
argets: 25 25 25 25 25 Targets: 25 25 25 25 25 
'; er s . 24 24 24 23 .. Osgood .16 21 18 .. .. 
lk . 25 23 21 22 .. Sheppard ... 22 23 21 
scoat .... 25 19 21 24 .. Meg . 25 .. 
1! }8 . 23 23 24 .. .. Conover .... 25. 
'ih . 23 20 20 20 22 
he following were shot at 12 pairs: 
'ers .19 .. .. Young . 16 22 .. 
' k . 17 16 17 Smith . 7 .. .. 
5COa4 . 20 20 .. Osgood .12 .. .. 
he following scores were made Friday, the 3d instant, 
1 event at 25 targets: 
vents: 123 
i cr s . 23 24 25 
k . 
-coat ..! 
°°d ,.21 21 
R eed . 21 20 
’P a rd . 21 16 
over . 25 .. 
Powers was high man for the afternoon, being 16 down, 
with Cook a close second with 18 down. Powers had the 
‘h e fi. rst , of ‘he afternoon, but Cook sure 
for ast la f of the programme, and an- 
race r EVent w ould have put him ahead—a very pretty 
Westcoat got right once or twice, but then went to 
the wind—a case of flinches. 
Conover came out again as a “dark horse” and ground 
them an up. He sems to want them all or none. 
JJr. Reed, an absentee all summer, came out and 
made good again. A little more practice and he will 
make the best go some, and then some more, 
Wow, for the Westy Hogan shoot on the pier; boys, 
keep your nerve and go and “git” them. 
4 5 6 7 8 
24 22 22 22 22 
23 23 21 22 23 23 23 24 
23 18 18 24 19 24 21 .. 
Blandon Gun Club. 
Allentown, Pa., Sept. 4.— The tourney held at Blan¬ 
don, Pa., by the Blandon Gun Club to-day was a suc- 
cess. Lee Wertz, of the Hercules, was high gun for 
the day, breaking 121 out of 130, shooting a 92.30 per 
cent. gait. President Bowers, of the home club, was 
second with 116 breaks. Scores: 
Events: 
Targets: 
123456789 10 
10 10 15 15 20 10 10 15 15 15 
Gray . 7 8 8 8 14 6 
M A J . 8 8 14 14 19 10 
Rader . 8 9 12 10 18 8 
Coldren . 9 10 10 13 .. 9 
Bowers . 8 7 11 13 19 9 
Lee Wertz . 10 9 13 14 17 9 
11 11 
9 .. ..11 
7 13 14 12 
9. 
9 9 14 15 
7 14 15 13 
H Marks . 11 12 15 8 7 12’ 10 13 
Fisher 
Hansell 
7 15 14 15 
92.30 
per 
club, 
was 
Shot 
at. 
Brk. 
130 
88 
110 
93 
130 
111 
70 
60 
130 
116 
130 
121 
110 
88 
10 
7 
65 
60 
, F - S. Bader of Newmantown, was third with 111 out 
ot 130. A little below your average, Frank! 
Geo. W. Hansell arrived at 3:30 and shot in the last 
five events, breaking 60 out of 65, a 92.30 per cent gait 
same as Mr. Wertz. 
of^lio A " ^ Sh0t WeU ‘ n e ‘ ght events > smashing 93 out 
Mr. Marks, of the Hercules, a new man at the traps, 
showed an excellent skill with 88 out of 110 . 
Harry Coldren shot at an 86 per cent, gait in six 
events. A. K. Ludwig. 
The Garfield Gun Club. 
Chicago, Sept. 4. —After spending a pleasant after¬ 
noon before the traps of the South Shore Country Club 
on Saturday, Aug. 28, the members of the Garfield Gun 
Club resumed shooting on their grounds, 52d avenue and 
Monroe street, on above date. The trap was in good 
working order, and good scores were made, as follows: 
Eve nts: 1 2 3 4 5 6 
Targets: 
10 15 25 25 25 25 
Thomas . 7 
Dr Shaw . k 
Herr . 6 
Moyer . 
George . 
Eaton .!! 
Kuss .!. ” 
In the club, Wo. 2, and Ballistite, No. 6 , trophies 
George won in A Class, while Herr won in B Class. 
In the Hunter Arms, No. 4, and Dupont, No. 5 
trophies. Dr. Shaw carried off high honors in A Class 
with Herr again in first place in B Class. 
Dr. Shaw and George tied for high average in the 
trophies, both shooting 87 per cent. 
11 19 20 23 16 
13 20 23 23 21 
9 18 20 22 
8 11 16 19 
15 22 21 21 23 
.. 19 20 
.. .. 22 
Buffalo Audubon Club. 
Buffalo, N. Y., Sept. 4.—Owing to unfavorable 
weather conditions, only a small crowd of shooters at¬ 
tended the first regular shoot for September. Mr. W 
H. Smith won A Class badge with 24, Mr. C. L. Kelsey 
B Class with 22 and Mr. Mesinger C Class with 22. Mr. 
Covert offered to donate a spoon for each class in 
event No. 4, 10 pairs, for high gun, commencing Oct. 2. 
Scores: 
Events: 1 2 3 4 5 
Targets: 10 25 25 10 20 
Talcott . 9 20 23 16 19 
Seymour ... 9 22 .... 15 
Smith . 7 12 11 6 9 
Freeman ... 2 12 11 6 9 
Wootton ....10 22 24 14 16 
Covert . 7 22 20 13 16 
No. 2 was the badge, 
handicap. 
Events: 1 2 3 4 5 
Targets: 10 25 25 10 20 
Mesinger ... 6 21 22 15 13 
Kelsey . 7 22 21 14 18 
Keily . 5 IS 21 12 19 
Thompson .. 1 6 8 11 
Eaton . 7 14 13 11 14 
Dr Wilson ... 10 15 10 9 
No. 4, ten pairs, No. 5 , 
W. C. Wootton, Sec’y. 
Ossining Gun Club. 
Ossining, N. Y., Sept. 2.—At a meeting of the Ossin- 
Gun Club, held at the Weskora Hotel last night, 
the following officers were elected for the coming year: 
Col. Franklin Brandreih, President; J. Curry Barlow, 
Wee-President; C. G. Blandford, Secretary and Compiler 
of Scores; Amos Bedell, Treasurer; G. B. Hubbell, 
Captain; Edward Macdonald, Financial Secretary; Capt. 
J. F. Jenkins, Master of Rifle Range; John T. Hyland, 
Game Warden; H. M. Carpenter, W. S. Smith, I. T. 
Washburn, Directors. 
Registered Tournaments. 
Pittsburg, Pa.—Tournaments registered with the In¬ 
terstate Association during the week ending Sept. 4 are 
as follows: 
Oct. 12-13.—Alcester (S. D.) G. C. F. F. Slocum, Pres. 
Oct. 14-15.—Centerville (S. D.) G. C. C. R. Alden, Pres. 
Oct. 19-20.—Homer Park, Ill.—Homer-Ogden G. C. C. 
Wiggins, Sec'y. 
Elmer E. Shaner, Sec’y-Mgr. 
Small Bores. 
cJ°*. ES .Tx/. ND Strean o4 .the 14th inst. has a letter 
. g ., , ’f or Miss,” asking for some information as 
to the relative merits of the 12 and 20 bores, and wishes 
to know, What do they mean by 12-gauge?” And 
101 / Cr sa ^. s > 1 have in mind one 12-gauge weighing 
11/2 pounds, full choke, 36-inch barrels, shooting 7 
drams powder, one ounce shot. * * * I recall another 
weighing 5% pounds, 26-inch, cylinder and half choke, 
vv e_ ask for something definite as a standard of com¬ 
parison. 
.. Bossiblv, I can be of some assistance to “Hit or 
Miss. A 12-gauge is a true cylinder, tube or barrel 
measuring .729 inch; and, no matter how heavy and 
long the barrels, or how heavy the entire gun, or how 
chambered as to length of shell, it is a 12-gauge. If it 
is extremely choked, it may measure at the muzzle, or 
? inches or so from it, 14-gauge—.693 inch—while back 
beyond the choke it is a cylinder, and being chambered 
for a 12-gauge shell, is a 12-gauge. The 12-gauge gun is 
the standard. It is the standard by which other smaller 
bores are compared in results. It is the most useful 
gauge, offering a wide margin for selection for different 
work in weights, lengths of barrels and loads. The 
maximum length and weight of the gauge are 30 to 
o2 inch barrels, 8% to- 9 pounds—this for heavy work— 
and the minimum 12-gauge, 26-inch, 6% to 6% cylinder, 
and modified choke for all upland shooting. This light¬ 
weight gun, if one barrel is full choke, will be found 
very effective in shooting over dogs at the various 
distances inside 40 yards. 
To my mind, the ideal duck gun is a 12-30-7%, 
full choke, chambered for a 2%-inch shell, 3%—43-grain 
bulk, or its equivalent in dense powder and one ounce 
No. 6 or 7 shot. For the average shooter, the very best 
gun for all upland shooting is a 12-26-6 10-16 to 6%, 
cylinder and modified, 2% drams, one ounce. This gauge 
and any pleasantly handling gun will “get the game.” 
“Hit or Miss” refers to, and yet takes it temperately, 
all depending on the “man behind the gun,” in any 
event with any gauge. There is very little difference in 
the velocity between the 12 and 20-gauge—hardly ap¬ 
preciable for actual use. What there is, is in favor of the 
latter when each gauge is loaded with its proportionate 
charge. 
The 20-gauge is not the best gauge and gun because 
it is a 20-gauge and so light and handy to handle. 
Neither is any other gauge. A gun becomes the “best 
gun” when it fits, suits and shoots to its owner’s com¬ 
plete satisfaction. Guns are now so well made and 
bored that all are good. It is simply a matter of selec¬ 
tion and to find out which is the best gun for you .in 
gauge, weight, length, style and boring. If all your 
shooting is upland, then the 12-gauge, 26-inch barrel is 
an effective weapon. If all the shooting is wildfowl, I 
would recommend the 12-gauge mentioned. If both up¬ 
land and waterfowl shooting, I would advise two guns, 
12-30 and 12-26, as noted above. Good guns are now 
reasonable in price. A shooter might just as well have 
two or three. However, if this is objectionable, I would 
suggest a 12-gauge with two pairs barrels, 26 and 30-inch, 
fitted to one stock. If the 30-inch barrel carries the total 
weight to 7% to 7 14-16, then the gun with 26-inch barrels 
limbered on will weigh about 7% to 7% pounds. 
Referring to velocity of shot: The Parker people 
claim all their experiments with the 20 and 28-gauges 
tend to a higher velocity than that yielded by the 12- 
bore, each gauge with its maximum or minimum pro¬ 
portionate loads, but hardly enough to he reckoned with. 
The Ithaca Gun Co. and Hunter Arms Co. now man¬ 
ufacturing 20-bores, while finding this gauge a strong 
shooter, do not claim it is so decidedly superior in this 
respect as to count as a factor against the 12-gauge. 
All gauges yield about the same average velocities, 
each gauge with its normal proportionate charge. 
Here are five averages, taken indiscriminately from a 
large number, and not carefully selected as “highest”; 
1000^ f.s. and higher can be reached by changing loads, 
ramifications of wadding, etc. I am of the opinion that 
a _12-gauge, 30-inch 7% to 7 14-16, 2% inch chambers 
with specially prepared cartridges will chronograph 
higher velocities than the 20-gauge, 30 and 32 inch barrels, 
7 to 7% pounds, with long chamber and selected am¬ 
munition. I would not speak of a 20-gauge so built and 
in comparison with the 12 if it were not for the fact 
that such proportioned 20-bores are being built and are 
finding favor with duck shooters: 
Gun: 12-30-7 10-16; chronographed for 40 yards. 
3 drs. 1% oz. No. 7.887 foot-seconds 
3 drs. 1% oz. No. 7.857 
3% drs. 1% oz. No. 7.900 
3 y 2 drs. 114 OZ. No. 7.946 
3 drs. 1 Oz. No. 7.896 
“Hit or Miss” will observe these velocities are high 
enough to kill anything at all distances for which the 
shotgun is intended. 
The real advantage the 20 and 16 have over the 12 
is their lightness and handiness when made to minimum 
weight, and tlie use of cartridges made up of 2% to 21£ 
for the 16 and 2 to 214 for the 20, % and % ounce shot 
respectively; thus cheaper ammunition, light-weight gun, 
and if the sportsman is an extra good shoot he will 
enjoy the 16 or 20. All a matter of selection and “fitting 
of ideas” to the gun; or gun to ideas. One gauge is 
no better than another. All the gauges, from the 12 to 
28-bore will “shoot well” and prove satisfactory. If a 
man is not a good shot I would advise him to retain 
his 12-gauge. If he is a quick, “deliberate,” extra good 
shot, he will use the 20 occasionally, or possibly to the 
exclusion of other gauges in upland work. 
Dick Swiveller. 
The Forest and Strean may be obtained from any 
newsdealer on order. Ask your dealer to supply you 
regularly. 
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