Dec. xi, 1909.] 
FOREST AND STREAM 
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ports and mail copies to the several honorary press 
members of the Association. Carbon sheets for dupli¬ 
cating reports will hereafter be included with the record 
sheets sent out from the Secretary-Manager’s office. 
By ballot it was decided that the Association’s tour¬ 
naments in 1910 shall be given at the following points: 
The Grand American Handicap, at Chicago; the South¬ 
ern Handicap, at Columbus, Ga.; the Eastern Handicap, 
at Philadelphia, Pa.; the Western Handicap, at Des 
Moines, la.; and the Pacific Coast Handicap at Seattle, 
Wash. The place for holding the post series tournament 
will be decided later. 
The directors appointed the following committees to 
serve during 1910: Tournament Committee, Paul North, 
Chairman, S. G. Lewis, A. F. Hebard, T. H. Keller, 
J. T Skelly, A. H. Durston and H. McMurchy. Trophy 
Committee, A.' F. Hebard. 
By resolution the selection of a Handicap Committee 
for the Grand American Handicap was referred to the 
Tournament Committee with power to act. The Tour¬ 
nament Committee appointed J. S. Young, Chicago, Ill.; 
E. S. Rogers, Cleveland, O.; T. H. Clay, Jr.. Auster- 
litz, Ky.: J. W. Bell, St. Louis, Mo., and Elmer E. 
Shaner, Pittsburg, Pa. 
After discussing several matters of no particular in¬ 
terest to the general public, the meeting adjourned 
sine die at 6:20 P. M., with all business fully covered. 
Elmer E. Shaner, Sec’y-Mgr. 
20-Gauge and 12-Gauge Guns. 
Boston, Mass.—Although this subject has been very 
thoroughly threshed out, still I think it miiajht interest 
your readers to see the result of a test which I have 
made, comparing the two bores. 
I do not suppose that any one wishes to discuss the 
relative merits of these guns for field shooting at short 
range, shooting quail, partridges and woodcock, for 
instance. A gun of 20-gauge or larger can be made to 
shoot a good killing pattern, and it is only a question 
cf boring. It might be said that the 20-gauge has the 
advantage of lightness and a small dose of shot will 
prevent blowing the bird all to pieces at close range, so 
that part of the question is not worth discussing. 
When it comes to shooting ducks, it is another matter. 
We all know that the killing circle of the 20-gauge gun 
at 40yds. is considerably smaller than the 12-gauge. We 
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I then drew the outline of a plucked mallard duck in 
the center of the 30-inch circle of the 20-gauge pattern, 
as in the accompanying illustrations, placing the duck to 
the best advantage, and then in the same position on 
the 12 gauge pattern, letting it come as it would in 
regard to pellets. 
Then I took the guns to a friend, who is an ammuni¬ 
tion tester and examiner of a large cartridge factory; 
he kindly gave me the Velocities of each gun over 
40yds. and over 60ft. from the muzzle. The result was 
for 40yds.: 20-gauge, average 897.3ft., with a variation 
from the highest speed to the lowest of 77ft. in ten 
shots; and for the 12-gauge, an average of 896.8 with a 
variation of 82. And over 50ft. from the muzzle the 
20-gauge showed a velocity of '1158ft. and the 12-gauge a 
velocity of 1128ft. 
As I have never shot a 20-gauge gun at ducks I am 
unable to understand why they are so much in favor. 
W. 
Harrisburg, Pa., Nov. 23.—I enjoy your paper very 
much, especially the arguments brought forth by some 
of your readers on the “Small-Bore” question. 1 use a 
small-bore gun myself, and of course, am very much 
interested in these discussions. . Let us have more of 
them. Wishing you continued success, I remain, 
Ralph Jury. 
Buffalo Audubon Gun Club. 
Buffalo, N. Y., Dec. 4.—A most beautiful afternoon 
for shooting was enjoyed by a good-sized crowd of en¬ 
thusiasts in the art of smashing mud pies. Good scores 
were the order, as will be seen by scores below: 
Events: 1 2 3 4 5 
' Targets: 10 25 25 20 20 
Mesinger, 20 . 10 20 16 10 12 
Cox, 20 . 9 18 22 11 15 
Hammond . 10 25 24 15 .. 
Seymour . 10 23 24 16 .. 
Imhoff, 16 . 4 15 18 5 12 
Cummings, 20 .. 
Trautman, 16 . 
Indianapolis Gun Club. 
Indianapolis, Ind., Nov. 27.-—Owing to the sweep- 
stake shoot of Thursday, only a fair number of the 
members of thel Indianapolis Gun Club turned out 
yesterday to take advantage of an ideal day for shooting. 
.Many, good .scores were made in the practice. Parry 
was high by breaking 89 out of 100; Bell second, break¬ 
ing 49 out of 60, and Moore third, breaking 32 out of 40. 
The fifth series of the Du Pont trophy handicap shoot 
resulted in a tie by three of the contestants, Neighbors, 
Bratton and Bell, each making 100 per cent., including 
their handicaps. Moller with 98 per cent., took second, 
and Parry with 96 captured third place. 
Jones . 
McArthur, 20 . 
Talcott 20 . 10 23 24 17 16 
ilmbert. 20 . g 21 21 14 15 
Smith 20 . 8 19 .. 17 14 
C S Sidway, 20. 9 24 23 13 17 
R Sid way, 18. 9 23 22 13 16 
C Bargar . 1 19 ■ • H 
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■ Event 4 was at 10 pairs. Event 5 was a handicap. 
W. C. Wootton, Sec y. 
all know that in duck shooting the weight of the gun 
up to a reasonable point, say 9%lbs., is of no particular 
importance; and I think all will admit that the man 
who uses, a 20-gauge gun for duck shooting, as regards 
pattern, is handicapping himself. If any one should 
reply that he wanted to give the game a chance, I 
think it can be fairly said that he gives the game a 
better chance to be wounded without being killed than 
with a 12-gauge. 
To find out what this devilish fascination is for the 20- 
Manhassel Bay Gun Club. 
Port Washington, L. I., Dec. 5.—The weekly shoot of 
the Manhasset Bay Yacht Club to-day resulted as follows: 
Scratch sweepstakes, 15 birds; won by J. W. Alker: 
T W Alker . 13 H F Clark . 10 
E P Alker . 12 P Russel . 9 
H Funke . 12 CM Gould . 9 
H L Hoyt, Jr. 10 F Floyd Jones . 3 
Scratch sweepstakes, 10 birds; won by Hoyt: 
H L Hoyt, Jr. 9 CM Gould. 7 
E P Alker . 8 J W Alker. 6 
Shoot-off of tie in yearly prize event for leg of last 
week, 25 birds, handicap, resulted as follows: 
J W Alker .. 3 25 E P Alker . 6 22 
Scratch sweepstakes, 25 birds; won by Loomis. 
B G Loomis . 24 P Russel . 18 
H F Clark. 22 C M Gould. 17 
H L Hoyt, Jr. 21 
Monthly cup, handicap, 25 birds; won by E. P. Alker: 
E P Alker. 6 25 H F Clark . 2 21 
H Funke . 5 24 H L Hoyt, Jr. 0 18 
1 W Alker. 5 21 CM Gould. 7 15 
P Russel . 5 22 
Yearly prize, handicap, 25 birds; leg won by E. P. 
Alker: 
E P Alker . 5 25 J W Alker. 5 21 
H Funke . 4 25 C M Gould. 7 21 
H L Hoyt, Jr. 0 23 H F Clark. 2 18 
B G Loomis. 1 23 
Dec. 4.—The dull gloom of the morning, as well as the 
open hunting season, kept quite a few of the members of the 
Indianapolis Gun Club away from the events of the 
afternoon, although several of the regulars appeared and 
made some good scores. Britton, shooting at 60 birds, 
was high gun by breaking 58, or 97 per cent.; Parry was 
second man, breaking 74 out of SO, or 93 per cent.; 
Moore broke 36 out of 40, or 90 per cent. 
The sixth and final event of the Du Pont trophy handi¬ 
cap shoot was pulled off to-day. Parry, who was scratch 
man in all events except the first, when he received a 
handicap of 4 birds, won the trophy with the phenomenal 
score of 287 out of a possible 300, or a percentage of 
95 2 3. Moller, shooting in five events, was second by 
a close margin., breaking 239 out of a possible 250, or 
95.6 per cent., including handicap. 
The sixth event resulted in Lewis carrying off first 
honors by breaking 50 out of 50, or 100 per cent., includ¬ 
ing handicap. Bell and Moore were tied for second 
honors breaking 49 out of 50, or 98 per cent., including 
handicap. Parry, shooting as scratch man, broke 48 out 
of 50, or 96 per cent. 
Shot. at. Broke. Av. 
Britton . 
Parry .. 
Moore . 
Bell . 
Neighbors . 
Dixon . 
Lewis .■ • • • 14 17 .. .. 
19 19 20 .. 
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gauge gun, I started to find out how much difference 
Ossining Gun Club. there was between a 20-gauge and a 12-gauge gun with 
r\ -r „ . . _ , , , proper duck loads at 40yds. 
Ossining, N. Y., Dec. 4:— The Ossining Gun Club had a l n th e fi rs t place, I bought a cheap grade 12-gauge 
poultry shoot to-day. There were five 15-target, 71b. gun Q f a g00 d American make and bored to shoot 
chicken events. The numbers after the names denote close. It weighed 7%lbs. and had 32-inch barrel. I 
nusses-as-breaks in 15, handicaps not added in scores had made also a 20-gauge by good American makers; 
given The winner in each event was reduced one target it was to be made to shoot very close, weighed 71bs. 
in each succeeding event. After a number of ties were and had 32-inch barrel, and was to be like several in use 
shot off the winners of the prizes were: W. S. Smith by some very excellent shots in a duck club in the West. 
2, C. G. Blandford and Bruce Partrick 1. Hyland made j bad rifle sights fitted to each and made a pattern at 
up for his poor showing in previous events, by getting 40yds . on paper 48in . squ are. 
15 out of 20 in event No. 8 at 10 pairs. Loaded with 2 1 /£drs. Dupont and %oz. No. 7*^ shot, 
Events: 1234567 8 the 20-gauge made an average of 202 pellets in the 30in. 
Targets: 10 15 15 15 15 15 20 20 circle; and the 12-gauge made an average pattern of 301 
C G Blandford. 10 14 13 14 14 13 14 .. loaded with 3tAdrs. Dupont and lAioz. No. 7% shot. 
IT Hyland... 7 10 9 11 8 7 11 15 I made these patterns with 7% shot to see what kind of 
B Partrick . 5 8 11 11 11 8 .. .. guns I was working with, in terms which I knew about. 
B Brandreth . 6 12 13 11 10 7 10 8 Then having shells loaded with the same powder, from 
W S Smith. 8 12 15 11 12 12 .. .. the same can, and No. 6 chilled shot, charges of each 
W S Smith, Jr.. 3. weighed, I made thirty patterns with each gun; and, 
A Aitchison . 6. rejecting three patterns of each set, I got an average of 
J T Blandford. 6. twenty-seven patterns; of 115, or 63 per cent., for the 
Nos. 7 and 8 were at 10 pairs. C. G. B. 20-gauge, and of 187 for the 12-gauge, or 74 per cent. 
Trenton Shooting Association. 
Trenton, N. J., Dec. 14.—A valuable gun was to have 
been shot for had the number of contestants warranted 
such valuable prize. The entries.not being sufficient to 
warrant it, the gun was not shot for. Hastings, of 
Philadelphia, shot remarkably well, surpassing all other 
contestants with a total of 165 out of 175. Scores: 
Targets: 15 15 15 15 15 15 20 20 20 25 Total. 
Muldoon .....14 14 13 10 1112 16 13 15 21 138 
W H M. 12 14 14 12 15 13 14 14 17 21 146 
Edwards . 10 11 12 15 12 13 15 18 17 23 146 
Kliny . 14 12 13 11 12 14 19 17 20 21 153 
Vandun ..12 9 14 13 13 15 18 15 16 18 142 
Butler . 10 12 10 12 12 17 15 15 20 135 
Moore . 7 12 11 12 9 10 14 10 10 18 113 
Lewis .10 10 12 11 12 10 16 15 18 18 140 
Apgar . 14 11 14 14 13 13 18 15 19 21 152 
Brown . 13 11 10 13 13 13 17 16 16 19 141 
Lamene . 12 12 12 11 11 13 17 15 16 18 137 
Hastings . 15 13 15 15 14 13 19 17 20 24 165 
Glover . 13 14 14 10 14 14 17 20 19 21 156 
F W M. 14 13 13 13 13 12 16 17 19 23 153 
Davidson . 12 13 9 12 11 7 10. 74 
Narine and Field Club. 
Bath Bfach, Brooklyn, Dec. 4.—C. M. Camp was the 
winner at the shoot of the Marine and Field Club, to¬ 
day. His total of 72 was good, considering the strong 
wind which tossed the targets into erratic fligl 
100 targets were shot in strings of 25. Scores: 
C M Camp . 
W F Pardoner .. 
J H Emanuel . 
Stephen Elder . 
J M Knox . 12 
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