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REMINGTON SLIDE ACTION. 
Do you consider a Remington slide ac¬ 
tion .38-40 or .44-40 a good gun for deer 
and other game in Northern Michigan and 
Canada? If not please give name of gun 
considered. 
An Enthusiastic Reader. 
[Both of the rifles that you have men¬ 
tioned are effective and reliable weapons 
capable of accounting for the game that 
you have mentioned or are liable to meet 
in the sections where you will hunt. The 
address you have asked for is New York 
City.—Ed.] 
BEST RIFLE AND AMMUNITION FOR 
DEER HUNTING. 
Homer, Michigan, Jan. 12, 1917. 
Editor Forest and Stream-. 
I expect to purchase a rifle for deer hunt¬ 
ing principally and am undecided as to just 
what caliber would be best. I belie've I 
shall get a Savage and would like to know 
how the .25-35, -30-30, .303, .32-40 and .250- 
3000 compare regarding recoil. Would 
there be very much difference in the recoil 
of their featherweight guns as compared 
with the standard weight? I would very 
much prefer the featherweight gun, if the 
recoil wouldn’t be too great. Are these 
featherweight guns made just as stout and 
balance just as good as the standard? 
Wouldn’t the mushroom bullets in the 
•250-3000 spoil more meat than the .30-30S 
or other bullets having slower velocity? 
The Marble Arms Co. make supplemental 
chambers for high power rifles that you 
can use pistol cartridges in of the caliber 
of the rifle. Are these satisfactory and ac¬ 
curate, and do they injure the rifle any.? 
I would like it if it was practical to use 
something like this as I would hardly dare 
shoot the regular high power loads in this 
section of the country but still would like 
to practice around here with the rifle that 
I would use in the deer country. 
Are the .22 automatic pistols put out by 
the Colts people proving a success? I have 
never seen one nor had any first hand in¬ 
formation regarding them. I want to get 
one sometime if they are O. K. I have a 
.22 Savage automatic that misfires quite 
often. I think this is due to the fact that 
the shell isn’t pushed way in by the action 
spring although it may be poor ammunition. 
I have been using Lesmok but believe that 
is about as poor a make of .22 ammuni¬ 
tion as there is. What make would you 
advise for this rifle? Do all automatics 
have a very heavy trigger pull? This .22 
does and so did a .351 Winchester auto¬ 
matic that I used last fall. 
Thanking you for the above information, 
I am M. H. M. 
You would be wise to choose either the 
.22SHP or the .250-3000 Savage although 
you do not mention the .22SHP in the list 
of calibers you have under consideration. 
The free recoil of the various calibers 
you inquire about are as follows: 
• 25-35 caliber .3.4 foot pounds 
.30-30 caliber .7.2 foot pounds 
.303 Savage .8.4 foot pounds 
32.40 caliber .7.5 foot pounds 
.250-3000 Savage.7.1 foot pounds 
The free recoil of the .22SHP is 4.9 
foot pounds. 
There is some difference between the re¬ 
coil of the Savage featherweights and the 
standard weight rifles, but neither the 
.22SHP or the .250-3000 are made in stand¬ 
ard weights. 
The featherweights are just exactly as 
strong as the standard weight rifles and of 
course are much easier to handle either on 
foot or in the saddle. 
The mushroom bullets of the .250-3000 
Savage and the .22SHP unquestionably 
spoil more meat than the old-fashioned 
.30-30 and the other 2,000 foot per second 
cartridges, but you cannot get killing pow¬ 
er without spoiling some meat and if the 
full metal patched bullets are used in the 
case of the .250-3000 or .22SHP a very 
satisfactory shock will be delivered with 
somewhat less mutilation of the animal 
than when soft point bullets are used. Of 
course a certain amount of mutilation oc- • 
curs with full metal patched, Spitzer point, 
high velocity bullets, but this cannot be 
prevented. 
The Marble Auxiliary cartridges in 
.22SHP caliber, using .22 long rifle Lesmok 
or semi-smokeless cartridge and the one 
in the .250-3000 Savage rifle which is made 
to handle the .25 short Stevens rim fire 
cartridges through barrels which contain 
the residue of the high power load. 
The residue of the high power load is 
hard and sticky and would scrape lead from 
the bullet from the rim fire cartridge and 
lead the bore. Consequently the barrel 
should always be cleaned if shooting the 
high power cartridge before using the rim 
fire cartridge. It does not seem to do any 
harm to shoot high power cartridges 
through a barrel which contains the residue 
of the rim fire cartridges. 
The trouble, that you are having with 
your Model 1912 Automatic rifle is due to 
either the ammunition or the cause you 
have mentioned. 
The .32 long rifle Lesmok cartridge man¬ 
ufactured by the U. S. Cartridge Company, 
of Lowell, Mass., gives satisfactory results 
either in this rifle or in the .22 automatic 
pistol which you mention. All the long rifle 
Lesmok and semi-smokeless stuff shoots 
so accurately that there is little difference 
in this respect but it is an actual fact that 
there is some difference in the way this 
ammunition is gauged as to its outside di¬ 
mensions. This has a very important bear¬ 
ing on the way it performs in an automatic 
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