
FOREST AND STREAM. 







| The Cup Question. 
As might be expected Sir Thomas Lipton has 
refused to race again under the same conditions 
/under which he has already been three times de- 
feated. 
He has found that to build a 90-footer to beat 
Herreshoff is an impossibility when the Herres- 
| hoff craft can be built so much lighter than 
|his boat which must cross the Atlantic. 
The English are, and always were, noted for 
| building staunch ships. Their ideas as_ to 
| strength are so ground into their very being that 
they cannot countenance the construction of such 
| baskets as we put up on this side. Their yacht- 
ing would not permit of such boats. The Chan- 
;nel winds and seas require a solid construction, 
| while almost anything in the shape of a box will 
‘and does do for these waters, for you can see 
‘them by the dozens at most any water front. 
| It is no discredit to the Englishmen to refuse 
to build any more such racing machines, but 
rather a mild rebuke against the conditions gov- 
| erning the cup contests. So long as those con- 
| ditions exist there is but little hope of any 
| foreign nation carrying off the cup. The New 
| York Y. C. might just as well brick it up in a 
/ vault and let it be forgotten. 
| 
" A SWEDISH CHALLENGE, 
A surprise of yachtsmen came recently in the 
form of a rumored challenge from Sweden. 
Goesta Kyhlberger, a Swedish banker, and Wil- 
liam Olsson a millionaire yachtsman, are the 
ones to challenge through the Royal Swedish 
Y. C. Captain John Carlson, one of the most 
expert sailers in Sweden, will command the chal- 
lenger. 
Current reports say she will be built of wood, 
of Swedish material throughout, and manned en- 
tirely by Swedes. Such a race would certainly 
be very interesting. 
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A NEW TROPHY. 
It is more than likely now that Lipton has 
refused to race under the conditions imposed by 
the New York Y. C. that a new trophy will be 
put up by the English for international racing. 
If it is, it is safe to say the conditions will be 
entirely different, and aimed to produce a vessel 
that will be of some use to the maritime world. 
Cup racing has become very unpopular for 
many reasons. Such a rabble of steam craft 
followed the racers that they interfered with 
their sailing, and the Government had to send 
patrol boats to keep the sightseers back. All one 
can now see of the cup races is an overcrowded 
fleet of excursion boats, a crowded mass of half 
| sick humanity resembling a circus crowd who 
go to these races because the newspapers boom 
it up so for weeks ahead that even Dakota 
farmers rush East to cheer patriotically, though 
they have to ask some one who knows when It 
is time to cheer. 
Occasionally you catch a momentary glance of 
the two white dots on the horizon, but even the 
sharp person with marine glasses cannot tell the 
| Yankee boat from the Englishman so near alike 
are they. Such racing is very sensational, but 
except for the excursion steamers, of no great 
value to anyone. It repeats over and over again 
the one fact that we can build a lighter craft 
and sail her faster than the Englishmen can 
their heavy boat. Let us hope, therefore, this 
new cup’s conditions will be so worded as to 
develop a good able craft as well as a speedy 
one. 
All the small classes on Long Island Sound 
have had to take this physic as a result of public 
Freak half-raters were discarded for 
opinion. 
sensible one-design boats. Freak 3oft. fin-keel- 
ers have developed into the staunch, shippy 
little New York thirties that are speedy, but 
" staunch and roomy with their speed. The 57 


footers are a departure for the better; why then 
should the most expensive of all, the 90-footers, 
be built in the form of useless racing freaks 
which the new rule of the New York Y. C. was 
framed to dispense with? 
Shinnecock Y. C. One-Design Class. 
Mr. Morcan Barney, naval architect, of New 
York city, has designed a neat little one-design 
class boat for members of the Shinnecock Y. C. 
Nine boats are already ordered built and several 
more are as much as closed for. They will be 
built this winter by the Greenport Basin and 
Construction Co., of Greenport, L. I. 
The accompanying plans give a complete idea 
of these boats. Their construction is to be very 
substantial, no attempt being made to skimp 
weights. They will be planked with cedar and 
have bright decks laid with the sweep of the 
side. They will have centerboards and carry 
1,250 pounds of lead outside on their keels, in- 
suring ample stability under the 290 sq. ft. of 
sail carried in the mainsail and jib rig shown. 
Their sails will be of Egyptian cotton, spars solid 
and blocks of brass. 
The members who have already signed as 
owners of this class are: Phillip De Ronde, of 
Quogue, L. I.; Gardner B. Penniman, New 
York; E. H. Wiswell, New York; J. S. Radway, 
New York; V. A. Keys, New York; Frank 
Koch, New York; Com. T. A. Howell, New 
York; F. W. Cooke, Paterson, N. J., and Chas. 
De Hart Brower, East Orange, N. J. 




SHCAL DRAFT SLOOP 
DESIGNED BY 
MoRGAN. BARNEY 
NAVAL ARGIIITECT 
29 BYWAY NEW YORK 
ScaLs fF 150" 










Race for the British International Trophy 
Mr. Hucu S. GAMBEL, secretary of the Motor 
Boat Club of America, will issue within a fort- 
night the rules that will govern the race for 
the British international trophy, to take place 
in American waters next season. 
It is understood that England will have her 
full quota of three boats in this race, and the 
Motor Boat Club of America will be represented 
by a like number. Several boats are expected 
to be built here for this competition, and if they 
are turned out an elimination race will be neces- 
sary in order to select the three boats for the 
American side. Challengers for the trophy must 
be made by Feb. 1 next. 
The club will take possession of its new -home, 
No. 304 West Fifty-eighth street, on Nov. 15. 
At a meeting of the board of governors held 
recently at the secretary’s office, No. 314 Madi- 
son avenue, the following members were elected: 
H. N. Baruch, H. P. Smith, Silas F. Minter, 
Andre Bastonoly, Stedman Bent, Walter Lee, 
John F, Anderson, J. H. Anderson, George J. 
Gillig and Josef Goodman. 

A New Class R_ Boat. 
At the yard of Robert Jacob, City Island, the 
new class R boat for Mr. Donald Abbott will 
be built this winter from designs by C. D. Mower, 
of New York. 



















SAIL PLAN OF SHINNECOCK Y. C. 
ONE-DESIGN CLASS. 

