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Cup Races. 
ALL ideas of a cup race in 1908 with Sir 
Thomas Lipton and his Shamrock IV., to betare 
low given up. The New York Y. C. has re- 
fused to consider a race between boats of 70it. 
n length or under any other rules or conditions 
other than those of the previous races, 
And Sir Thomas, realizing the uselessness of 
\uch boats after going to great expense to build 
hem, to say nothing of the risk of crossing the 
\tlantic even in tow of a steam yacht, as the 
New York Y. C. allowed him to do before, has 
vithdrawn his challenge and will build a smaller 
facht for racing in English waters. 
Sweden has now come forward as a possible 
hallenger and is only holding back its formal 
iotice of challenge long enough to see if the 
Yew York Y. C. will accept a proposition to race 
o-footers instead of 9o-footers. 
What comes of this rumored challenge will be 
vatched with interest by yachtsmen all over the 
lountry. Ifa race does result from it, it will be 
1e first break in the long list of English or 
cotch challenges that have been made for the 
lap. What kind of a yacht Sweden could put 
ip for such a race is unknown, but there is little 
oubt of their finding plenty of good sailors of 
lat nation to man her, 
|The New York Y. C. has replied to the 
wedish yachtsmen quoting practically the same 
:rms that were decided at the meeting to con- 
der Sir Thomas’ challenge. 
|The fourth provision of the resolution passed 
hat eventful night set forth in such language 
ere can be no mistake regarding it. This pro- 
sion, 
“That the importance of the event makes 
desirable that the contesting vessels should 
substantially of the greatest power and size 
‘rmitted by the limitations of the deed of gift. 
ich vessels also furnish the most complete test 
skill in designing, constructing, managing and 
| ndling.” 
|This provision, in the minds of the local yachts- 
en, would seem to seal the fate of any chal- 
age for the cup calling for a boat less than 
ft. “But that is the New York Y. C’s decis- 
1,” it was said, “and it is impossible to go be- 
id the verdict.” 
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The announcement, too, of the Swedish club 
members that any rules or regulations would 
suit them under which to build and race was 
commented upon as being the right sort of spirit 
that would in the end gain many friends for the 
foreign organization. They admired expressions 
of that sort, yet it was not believed that there 
would be any chance for the 70-footer. 
Mr. George A. Cormack, secretary of the New 
York Y. C., in referring to the inquiry made by 
the Swedish club as to the New York Y. G.. 
accepting a challenge for the cup in 1909, said 
that he had sent the club at once all the infor- 
mation that he could, and in his letter to Admiral 
Hagg had inclosed the resolution adopted by the 
New York Y. C. at the late special Lipton chal- 
lengt meeting. He could do no more. The re- 
mainder was a club matter. When the Royal 
Swedish Y. C. sends its next communication it 
will receive prompt attention and consideration 
from the New York Y. C. 
Brooklyn Club May Offer a Trophy. 
Sir THomas Lipton will have a chance to com- 
pete in American waters for a big yachting 
trophy next year if the plans of the Brooklyn 
Y. C. go through, and the Irish Baronet will not 
have to bring over a freak racing machine either. 
The Brooklyn club, which has taken a great 
interest in Jong distance races, the last being 
that to Bermuda, is trying to promote a race for 
an international cup in which all foreign clubs 
will be invited to compete, the conditions being 
along the lines suggested by Sir Thomas in the 
challenge which he sent through the Royal Ulster 
Club to the New York Y. C., but which was 
turned down by them. 
As a starter the club has authorized Commo- 
dore Towen to appoint a committee to consider 
the proposition as outlined above, and it will re- 
port at the annual meeting to be held in Decem- 
ber. Just how enthusiastic some of the mem- 
bers feel in the matter may be gained from the 
fact that several wealthy men have already volun- 
teered to build a boat to defend the trophy. 
Corinthians among the Long Island clubs have 
a very warm spot in their hearts for Sir Thomas 
ALDRED OFF MARBLEHEAD, 

who has always been a generous patron of the 
sport in giving many cups provided as trophies 
for races of the various classes. 
The challenge of Sir Thomas for the America’s 
cup, it will be remembered, was for a race of 
“wholesome type” of boats in the 68ft. class, of 
which type Effort, built by Henry J. Gielow for 
Frank M. Smith and winner of the King Ed 
ward cup last year in its first competition, is re- 
garded as a worthy example. Having made the 
fastest time ever made over the King’s cup 
course off Newport where many cup defenders 
have raced, the fact remains that Sir Thomas 
would have no fear in crossing the Atlantic in 
the former, while the encouragement to build 
in this class by yachtsmen who want a comfort 
able cruiser with speed and seaworthy qualities 
would be a help to yachting generally. 
The Brooklyn Y. C., which is the leading or- 
ganization on Long Island, is made up of many 
wealthy men and would be well able to take care 
of an international race of this kind. Further 
assistance, were it required, would be given by 
the other clubs of Long Island. The convenience 
to the outside course required for the cup event 
and the commodious shore quarters on Graves- 
end Bay make this club an ideal one for con- 
ducting an international race in which Sweden 
and other countries would probably be repre- 
sented, 
It is the intention of the club to take its place 
among the leading yacht clubs of the world in 
international racing. It has just had its most 
successful season and has been in existence fifty 
years. It has a very prominent membership and 
a large fleet of boats, and intends to spend thou- 
sands of dollars in making improvements to the 
grounds and buildings at Bensonhurst. 


Aldred. 
ALDRED is one of the motor boats that made 
the run from New Rochelle to Marblehead this 
summer. Our illustration shows her anchored 
off the water front of the latter place, drying out 
and getting things ship shape. 
She was designed by Messrs. Cary Smith & 
Ferris and behaved nicely on the sea trip. 


