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of the limbers in rear of the guns in action. I know that General Keith Fraser 
objected to it, and I am told that this year General Luck would not have it at any 
price; he said he did not care whether it was laid down or not, he would not 
have the limbers stuck there affording a much larger and more conspicuous 
target. Now we are bound to the 10 yards though there may be an excellent 
position perhaps further off, and that of course increases our target for the enemy 
trenfendously. 
CoLonEL YorKE—Might I ask a question in connection with the limbers going 
away some of them at the gallop? I do not know whether the rate that they are 
to go is exactly laid down. The old way was this: when they came into action 
they trotted round and went away at the walk. The system in our Brigade 
Division was that they should go away at a steady walk as long as they were 
under cover if they were going far back; but if they had to cross any ground 
that came under fire and were exposed then they had to go at the gallop, to break 
from the gallop into walk. I do not know whether that is considered the 
right thing, but that is what we did. 
Masor Batpock—With regard to the position of the limbers and wagons, I 
wish to ask whether they are supposed to cover all guns in action. In some 
Brigade Divisions at Aldershot it was the rule always to cover the guns; whether 
there was cover to right or left, the wagons and limbers were to cover their 
guns; they might seek cover at the front or rear within limits, but they were 
never to move to the flank or to keep anything but the full interval between the 
guns and the limbers. In other Divisions, if there was a little bit of cover to 
right or left, they were often placed there altogether in a lump, more or less under 
eover, and sometimes the wagons aud limbers of two or three batteries would be 
all huddled together within a small piece of cover. I should like to know which 
is the correct way of placing the wagons and limbers: keeping them at the full 
interval whether there is cover or not, or keeping them huddled together so as to 
keep them covered. 
Caprarn StrRaNGE—Can the Lecturer give us any figures about the range at 
which battery officers should order case shot when resisting an attack of cavalry ? 
He mentioned that the target was put up at 600 yards. I ask this because at 
Shoeburyness last week I was watching some experimental practice at case shot 
and I noted that the bullets at 300 yards failed to penetrate 2-inch deal, and it 
does not seem to be of much use beyond that range 1 should think. It was a 12- 
pounder Mark I. gun. 
Masor Nuwron—This year there was a slight alteration in the system of 
giving points for fire discipline. Batteries were under observation for fire dis- 
cipline from the commencement of the First Series until the end of the Third 
Series, and I think some batteries lost points for what I submit are minor 
irregularities of drill, but hardly faulty fire discipline, such as inaccurate 
dressing of the serrefile rank, and slight inaccuracies in intervals. I submit 
that such minor irregularities should not be taken notice of as faulty fire. dis- 
cipline under this new system of observing the batteries from the commencement 
of the series until the end in advancing between one position and another. 
Masor Parprson—The Lecturer asked for the statistics of the infantry firing 
at Glenbeigh this year. 
There was a detachment of 200 infantry and 4 officers and they fired for three 
days. They fired at artillery targets on each day; their ranges were always 
given to them and they were always in position before they opened fire. 
On the first day they fired at 26 dummies representing a 4-gun battery in 
action, the same target as our long range competitive target, but the range was 
1800 yards. They first fired at the battery facing them ; 90 men fired 10 rounds 
