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the State. Mr. Pound has been appealed to many times, but no practical good has 
resulted. Mr. Pound is not a veterinary surgeon, and cannot be expected to do the 
work of one. 
I have made these suggestions with a view to their discussion, and I sincerely 
hope that something may be done to bring about a better state of things. I would 
also have the veterinary inspector attend to the sanitary condition of the dairies, 
1 am aware there is a necessity for this being done, especially in the case of those 
dairies from which the townspeople draw their milk supplies. Unclean practices and 
filthy surroundings are the great cause of sickness, and I am sure it is the duty of 
the Government to safeguard the health interests of its people. 
DISCUSSION. 
Mr. J. H. Mayyarp (Gympie): As far as this question is concerned I am 
inclined to alter my opinion in a measure from what I have heard since [ 
addressed you last year on dairy inspection. My opinion is partly altered on 
account of a visit paid by one of the veterinary surgeons under the Health 
Department to Gympie a few months ago. It appears that the probable action 
of the Department will be that inspectors will go round and only test those 
animals that are apparently unhealthy, and those that are subject to tuberculosis 
will be destroyed or condemned. As far as the condemnation without destrue~ 
tion is concerned, I may say that, althougha very pretty theory, I fail to see how 
it can be carried out practically in connection with most of our dairies. As a 
rule, the dairyman has not got a sufficient number of paddocks to be able to 
separate two or three cows from the rest of his herd. ‘To my mind, it seems 
that an animal, if condemned at all, must be destroyed. I have not altered my 
opinion with regard to the risk a dairyman runs, and the necessity for some 
measure of protection. We cannotisolatecases. With regard to the remarks made 
about the milk, I must here differ with Mr. Dean. I think it is perfectly right 
that if cattle have disease they should be condemned, and their milk not go into 
consumption. I do not agree with him when he says that because milk was 
healthy no milk is injurious. As far as I can learn, tuberculosis in the system 
is not necessarily injurious to the milk. I gather from my reading that for 
milk to be a medium of contagion there must be tuberculosis in the udder, and 
the tuberculin test will not identify that. Therefore, we may have cattle con- 
demned, although they may be absolutely harmless to those using the milk. I 
would like to hear Mr. Mahon on this subject. He is a thoroughly practical 
man, and knows this subject well. I would also suggest that Mr. Pound be 
requested to address the meeting. We would get more information from those 
two gentlemen than if half-a-dozen of ourselves spoke. 
Mr. Joux Manon (Agricultural College) : You will pardon me, but it is 
not my intention to speak upon this matter. We have got here Mr. Pound, a 
scientific man, and we all admit that he thoroughly understands his business. 
Therefore, if I were to talk to you for an hour I might say things which Mr. 
Pound would afterwards contradict, and be quite right in doing so. Further, 
I might make some startling statement which would astonish some of you. 
Mr. Maynarn: I thoroughly believe in scientific men, but I also believe in 
practical ones. The only way we can get science to be of use is to combine it 
with practice. We have here this morning the scientific man in Mr. Pound 
and the practical man in Mr. Mahon. 
Mr. C. J. Pounp (Government Bacteriologist) : There is one thing I must 
regret, and that is I have so far been unable to deliver the lecture which I had 
arranged with the Department. There really appears to be some misunder- 
standing. ‘Through some oversight, provision was not made for it on the 
programme, although I have all the apparatus here, and was requested by the 
Under Secretary for Agriculture to bring it up with me. It appears we cannot 
alter the programme now, so the matter will have to be deferred. Mr. Dean 
referred to the presence of tuberculosis in the late Queen’s herd, and 
mentioned that no members of the Royal family were affected with 
tuberculosis. If Mr. Dean reads up that record he will find no reference to 
cases of tuberculosis of the udder. Unless you have tuberculosis in 
the udder, you cannot expect the germs of tuberculosis in the milk supply. 
