December  19,  1901.  JOURNAL  OF  HORTICULTURE  AND  COTTAGE  GARDENER . 
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Balance  Sheet  for  the  Year 
Receipts. 
Balance  at  Bankers,  December  1st,  1900 
•Subscriptions  ...  . 
Alliliation  Fees  and  for  Medals  from  Affiliated  Societies 
Advertisements  in  Report . 
n  Programme . 
From  Crystal  Palace  Com  ran y  (for  1900)  . 
,,  North  Lonsdale  Rope  Society 
,,  Richmond  Horticultural  Society  . 
Special  Prizes . 
Proceeds  of  Temple  Show... 
Sale  of  Publications . 
ending  30th  November,  1901. 
Expenditure. 
£ 
s. 
d. 
£ 
s. 
d 
1 
14 
0 
Printing,  Stationery,  and  Advertising 
...  88 
7 
6 
458 
5 
6 
Postage,  Telegrann,  and  Sundry  Expenses  ... 
...  61 
12 
11 
57 
18 
0 
Secretary’s  Travelling  Expenses  to  arrange  Shows 
1 
15 
8 
14 
14 
0 
Expenses,  Richmond  Show 
0 
13 
0 
28 
4 
0 
,,  Temple  Show  ... 
...  396 
4 
6 
105 
0 
0 
, ,  Ulverston  Show 
2 
17 
6 
80 
0 
0 
Medals . 
...  33 
13 
4 
50 
0 
0 
,,  for  Affiliated  Societies . 
...  41 
13 
0 
70 
1 
0 
Contribution  to  R.H.S.  Rose  Show 
...  17 
0 
0 
407 
9 
4 
Prizes,  Richmond  Show 
...  105 
5 
0 
9 
15 
5 
,,  Temple  Show 
...  255 
10 
0 
,,  Ulver.  ton  Show 
...  135 
10 
0 
Purchase  of  Plate  for  Prizes 
...  46 
10 
6 
Assistant  Secretary  and  Accountant  (two  years)  ... 
...  65 
0 
.0 
Balance  at  Bank  ..!  . 
...  31 
8 
4 
283 
1 
3 
£1283 
1 
3 
1901. — December  1st,  Balance  at  Bankers,  £31  8  4 
The  above  report,  being  highly  satisfactory  in  every 
respect,  was  unanimously  supported  and  adopted. 
A  vote  of  thanks  to  the  officers  and  committee  of  the 
society  for  their  services  during  the  year  was  heartily 
accorded,  the  reply  coming  from  Mr.  D’Ombrain,  who  said 
that  though  he  was  not  now  so  active  a  member  as  he  used 
to  be,  was  still  a  most  willing  one,  and  he  put  the  question, 
“  Do  I  not  prove  it  by  being  present  with  you  to-day  1  ” 
The  day  was  disagreeably  boisterous  and  wet. 
Following  this,  the  date  of  the  summer  show,  to  be  held 
at  Exeter,  was  fixed  for  Friday,  July  4,  the  Friday  being  a 
great  market  day  in  this  southern  town.  The  probability 
that  the  Benchers  of  the  Inner  Temple  would  object  to  tent 
poles  being  erected  on  the  Saturday  preceding  the  Metro¬ 
politan  show  of  July  1  was  discussed,  and  a  hint  was  thrown 
out  by  Mr.  Mawley  as  to  the  advisability  of  putting  the 
opening  day  to  the  Wednesday  instead  of  Tuesday,  so  that 
full  time  might  be  had  for  erecting  and  arranging  all  that 
is  necessary.  No  proposition  was  made  of  this,  however, 
the  report  having  been  adopted,  and  the  date  remains  for 
July  1. 
Mr.  Martin  rose,  and  proposed  an  alteration  in  By-Law  2  : 
“  That  this  society  consist  of  members  paying  annual  sub¬ 
scriptions  of  one  guinea  or  half  a  guinea.”  He  jocularly 
remarked  that  the  secretaries  were  earnest  in  their  wish  to 
extend  every  courtesy  to  the  members  of  the  National  Society 
devoted  to  the  interests  of  the  Rose,  and  therefore  now 
proposed  to  stipulate  a  more  resnectable  annual  subscrip¬ 
tion.  The  income  from  this  higher  amount  would  be  in¬ 
creased  by  5  per  cent.,  and  instead  of  £30  balance  at  the 
end  of  next  year  the  officials  could  expect  £50.  Mr.  A.  E. 
Prince  seconded,  and  the  proposition  was  unanimously 
carEed. 
The  Rev.  J.  H.  Pemberton  then  proposed  the  following 
addition  to  Regulation  2  :  “  But  where  sufficient  prominence 
is  given  in  the  schedule  to  classes  for  decorative  and  Tea 
Roses  the  committee  may  grant  permission  for  a  two  days’ 
show.” 
This  proposition  was  subjected  to  considerable  debate. 
Mr.  Pemberton  began  with  a  reference  to  the  change  of 
venue  for  the  Metropolitan  summer  show,  and  thought  it  a 
good  thing  that  the  members  had  taken  the  full  responsibility 
for  success  or  failure  on  their  own  shoulders.  Turning  to 
the  subject  in  hand,  he  remarked  that  up  to  the  present 
time  the  society  has  had  a  regulation  that  utterly  prohibits 
a  two  days’  show.  No  exception  whatever  is  given  ;  not 
even  if  the  King  asked  for  a  two  days’  show  could  the 
officers  grant  the  request  without  first  obtaining  the  sanction 
of  members.  In  this  respect,  continued  Mr.  Pemberton, 
your  hands  are  somewhat  tied.  Thinking  the  matter  over 
a  little  time  ago,  the  speaker  concluded  that  the  rule  might 
be  relaxed,  and  the  rider  (given  above)  added  to  it.  And 
this  for  three  main  reasons  :  (1)  In  the  interests  of  Decora¬ 
tive  Roses  ;  (2)  Trade  interests  ;  and  (3)  financial. 
When  the  regulation  was  framed  Mr.  Pemberton  had 
voted  with  others  against  a  two  days’  show,  but  at  that  time 
H.P.’s  were  the  Roses  mostly  exhibited.  Now,  however, 
there  is  a  great  race  of  Decorative  Teas  and  Hybrid  Teas. 
Out  of  128  exhibits  that  were  catalogued  when  the  regula¬ 
tion  was  framed  only  twenty-eight  are  still  in  the  lists.  This 
shows  a  change.  Further,  in  1891  the  schedule  only  con¬ 
tained  four  classes  for  Decorative  Roses  ;  ten  years  later 
(1901)  there  are  thirteen  classes  for  this  section. 
Trade  growers  would  have  the  benefit  of  placing  this 
beautiful  decorative  section  of  Roses  before  the  London 
public  for  an  extra  day.  The  proposer  of  this  addition  to 
Regulation  2  also  brought  into  his  argument  a  notice  of 
the  derivable  advantages  by  pointing  out  the  great  adver¬ 
tisement  the  society  and  its  show  would  receive  on  the  second 
morning  when  the  newspapers  were  published,  these  also 
intimating  the  fact  that  the  show  was  being  continued.  Mr. 
Pemberton  pointed  out  that  the  society  cannot  expect  the 
same  gate  money  in  the  coming  show  from  the  fact  that  the 
many  who  became  members  will  receive  free  tickets.  The 
show  day  last  July  was  a  splendid  one.  “  But  what  if  you 
had  a  bad  one1?”  he  asked.  The  second  day  stands  the 
chance  of  be  ng  a  good  one,  and  would  be  a  day  of  profit. 
In  conclusion  he  urged  that  a  two  days’  exhibition  be  tried,  if 
only  for  this  year. 
Mr.  Coulery  (?),  who  seconded,  said  it  was  a  pity  that  col¬ 
lections  and  vases  of  Roses  that  had  required  so  much  pains 
to  arrange  should  only  be  on  view  for  four  or  five  hours. 
Many  of  the  [purely]  Decorative  Roses  would  be  in  better 
condition  on  the  second  day. 
Mr.  George  Paul,  of  Cheshunt,  spoke  tb  negative  Mr. 
Pemberton’s  proposed  addition.  “  Those,”  he  said,  “  who 
remember  the  two  days’  shows  know  that  the  second  day 
only  militates  against  the  finances  of  the  first  day.”  Many 
people  who  would  come  and  pay  7s.  6d.  on  the  first  day 
wait  until  the  price  is  reduced  on  the  second.  It  is  also 
somewhat  of  a  fraud  on  the  public  to  bring  them  in  to  view 
faded  flowers,  and  Roses  will  wither  even  in  well-ventilated 
tents.  And  amateur  exhibitors  from  a  distance  would  be 
compelled  to  remain,  at  expense,  in  London,  while  trade- 
growers  must  also  retain  a  large  staff  of  assistants,  and 
this  at  a  time  when  Rose  shows  are  being  held  everywhere 
over  the  country  ;  larger  prizes  would  be  imperative.  Mr. 
Pemberton  had  referred  to  the  change  for  good  in  the 
“personnel”  of  the  flowers,  but  the  only  H.P.  known  to 
Mr.  Paul  to  last  well  for  two  days  was  the  beautiful  variety, 
Captain  Hayward.  Some  Decorative  Roses  might  last  well 
for  two  days  and  some  might  not. 
In  support  of  Mr.  Paul  came  Mr.  O.  G.  Orpen,  who 
referred  to  the  Roses  as  “  shameless  wrecks  ”  when  seen 
even  late  on  the  afternoon  of  the  first  day,  and  pointed  out 
that  manv  members  of  the  National  Rose  Society  have 
already  pledged  themselves  to  assist  the  Rose  Conference 
at  Holland  House.  It  has  always  been  one  of  the  most 
cherished  regulat  ons  of  the  rosarians  to  show  fresh  and 
beautiful  Roses  ;  only  by  so  doing  will  the  love  for  them 
be  fostered.  Other  members  also  favoured  the  foregoing 
views. 
The  Rev.  H.  H.  D’Ombrain  somewhat  contemptuously 
referred  to  the  Decorative  Roses  which  had  been  so  much 
lauded,  as  “Grandmother’s  Roses,”  that  require  no  culture 
further  than  that  of  simply  sticking  them  in.  Mr.  Mawley 
said  he  was  soiry  to  prolong  what  appeared  a  rather  one¬ 
sided  discussion.  The  proposition,  he  said,  had  got  upon 
the  agenda  through  committee  by  nine  votes  to  seven  (one 
of  the  sacred  nine  had  since  altered  his  opin  on),  and  had  not 
been  in  the  least  seriously  regarded  by  that  body  ;  it  was 
simply  allowed  in  a  tentative  way.  To  have  a  two- 
day’s  show  would  necessitate  two  separate  schedules. 
Visitors  would  see  third  prize  stands  often  better  to  look 
at  than  the  first  prize  sets  on  a  second  day.  And  where 
would  the  “  premiers  ”  be  1  Against  Mr.  Pemberton’s  argu¬ 
ments  that  the  gate  tak  ngs  could  not  be  expected  to  be  so 
large,  Mr.  Mawley  quoted  a  few  figures  from  the  records  of 
